Dada
From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:36:52 -0000
Hullo,
Whose grandmother named him that you all doubt that his name is Edward Milindwa? That is proof of NRA/M confusion in deception that they think everyone go by lies and deception like them!!!!
Own up
Toro
----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> "Mulindwa" - Come on, own up - is your true name really Mulindwa????? Why
> shun your roots mate? No good at all. Come out in the open, say who you
are
> exactly and defend your kin and keith with a clear conscious that you are
> not concealing your true identity and that you've denounced and apologised
> for the Ganda disguise and impersonation so as to conviniently malign the
> Baganda. Unless and until you do that and continue to call yourself
> "Mulindwa", your wild claim to being upright will remain just that - a
wild
> claim, and those of us who know you shall continue to hold you in utter
> contempt. Your kin, on the other hand, will never forgive you for the
> failure to positively aknowledge your roots and join them in an open
> struggle in your true identity.
> Dada
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:57:48 -0500
> >
> >Kironde
> >
> >I am just wondering, why did you think that this might be Mulindwa? And
the
> >only reason I am asking such a question, is that you as a man who has
been
> >in this forum for years you would know that I am a person who never post
> >any thing under fake names for I post it for I believe in it. I post it
for
> >I will defend it. I post it for if it will be wrong I will take the
blame.
> >But most of all I post it for I do not follow the wind, like today UPC is
> >in power so I am pro UPC, Museveni is in power, so I am a Movememntist,
out
> >of the blue I am pro North. That is why I always use my real name, Edward
> >Mulindwa, for if I was such an opportunistic, I would have used fake
names
> >like Kasangwawo or even Mitayo Potosi for that matter. Kironde ask me do
> >not bother with IP address.
> >
> >Again as Usual
> >Edward Mulindwa
> >Toronto
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Kironde
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:38 AM
> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The
> >role of Federalism
> >
> >
> > Ocham Otim
> >
> > In addition to your observation, when you do a trecert of the IP
> >address, the moderator is a subscriber to British Telcom - and uses a
> >dial-up connection since the last octet keeps on changing. One of the
> >names that came out though, was Joram, who claimed to be from Kabale when
> >he signed the UPDF Ironfist guest book and put a link to this anarchism
> >thing. Signed with a Swahili phrase Tutatawatuliyha! Other threads lead
> >you to the forum of Radio Rhino to which Edward Mulindwa is an ardent
> >contributor. First I thought it was Mulindwa's baby, but the first octet
> >of his IP parent net look.ca normally starts with 216. - later guys!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> >Of Ochan Otim
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The
role
> >of Federalism
> >
> >
> >
> > Rehema:
> >
> > I am not sure about the ownership of the web site you provided. I
have
> >my doubts based on two observations on visiting the site. One, there are
> >only 12 members as per the web address. This kind of list, as those who
> >are familiar with it will testify, allows all kinds of flexibility to the
> >creator - including stuffing its membership with bogus e-mail addresses
to
> >swell their ranks. Which brings me to number two: 22 of the 27 messages
> >posted on the site since its creation appears to come from
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] the administrative address for the group.
> >This seems to bolster my suspicion. Is this a "one-man" show? In any
> >case, why are some of the messages deleted (e.g. #2, 3-4, etc.)?
> >
> > I could be wrong (and do help me out here), but I do not know why I
feel
> >that buried in your interpretation of the messages on the site is the all
> >too familiar stereotypical generalization we have heard all to often to
> >justify the lackluster response the whole country gave to the genocide
> >happening in northern Uganda. However one looks at it, the "northern" is
> >still part of Uganda for now and Uganda must deal with the problems in
the
> >north.
> >
> > Ochan Otim
> >
> > At 02:09 AM 11/15/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This note is written by Rehema Mukooza. Since all of us are struggling
> >to find some solutions to Uganda's problems, I thought it useful to share
> >with everyone.
> >
> > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The role of
> >Federalism
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Fellow Federalists:
> > >
> > >I found this interesting discussion group on the net. Please check it
> >out below.
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ugandanarchism Are these lies or
facts?!
> >Okay, y'all know where I got your email addresses from [fedsnet]. Let's
> >forget my history on fedsnet for now, I'm seriously and curiously
> >interested in this particular issue.
> > >
> > >For long the LRA has been painted as a "non political visionary"
> >rebellion, but the link above which in so many ways looks like a LRA
rebel
> >forum has a different story to tell. I am not a LRA rebel supporter, I'm
in
> >search for knowledge and the truth in remmedy to get a clear view of
> >understanding the rebellion. Anarchism is their political philosophy and
> >they will protect & fight for it no matter what it takes! For the 1st
time
> >I've found out that their cause is not the 10 commandments.
> > >
> > >Before we move so quickly onto solving the northern rebellion with
> >federalism, let's check out how these anarchist northern federal states
> >will function and be governed.
> > >
> > >Uganda Anarchists/LRA rebels said - "We believe in a system that has
no
> >leadership but delegates elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates
> >that can be re-called at short notice when delegation is turned into
power.
> >A democracy that is built from the grassroot and managed by grassroot
> >people. A system that is accountable to its people. We don't believe in
> >national passports or national borders."
> > >
> > >Their message of "a democracy that is built from the grassroot and
> >managed by the grassroot people" rings a bell of federalism.
> > >
> > >Their ideology of "a system that has no leadership but delegates
> >elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates that can be re-called at
> >short notice when delegation is turned into power" can work within
> >federalism by simply forming a Northern Federal State Delegates
> >Committee-like structure from the grassroot upwards. However, how will an
> >anarchist region state respect the imperical superiority/leadership of
the
> >federal gov't of Uganda above it if it doesn't believe in "leadership"??
> > >
> > >Their "We don't believe in national passports or national borders" is
a
> >much advanced ideology of -no leadership- because leadership is limited
by
> >it's geographical boundaries and they want no part of this limitation.
Such
> >disbelief in national passports or national borders is a violation of
> >international, national and state laws and not compatible with federalism
> >where state and national borders are clearly drawn. I now know why the
LRA
> >keeps its base in Sudan moving across the border back and forth - because
> >it doesn't believe in national borders.
> > >
> > >I wrote all this because I needed some answers from our federal brain
> >childs of Uganda. The LRA has and is proving to be resilient rebel group
> >which is here to stay until it's demands are up into action. We are going
> >to have a problem with this group even in the post-Museveni era and under
a
> >possible federalism. The LRA's relactancy and non existing support of
> >federalism can now be realized why - because federalism is NOT anarchism!
> >Bingo! There you go!
> > >
> > >The LRA's demands might look undemocratic since the populace did not
> >ask for it, but their demands will HAVE to be put into action, like it or
> >not if we are to save lives. Decisions will have to be made in accordance
> >to the reality (LRA) of the situation. So, whatever kind of federalism
> >Uganda will choose, the northern region's will by force have to be
> >different from other states/regions.
> > >
> > >In the mean time, the federal brain childs of Uganda give me some
> >answers, and shapely curve up a regional practicable model for the
northern
> >region now before it's too late. I hate to Bugandanize federalism but we
> >need to put the Buganda federal talk aside [buganda will be easy to deal
> >with than the north] and deal/focus on the northern anarchist federal
> >model.
> > >
> > >I don't wanna hear the old talk of "they [northerns] will decide what
> >type of federal-in-state arrangement will work for them" because this
will
> >be a complicated situation (no national border/passport respect and no
> >recognition of the leadership of the Uganda State). The decision of the
> >northern federalism will definately have to involve the Ugandan republic
> >not just the people of northern region.
> > >
> > >And if the Uganda Federal Gov't hesitates to give up some of its
powers
> >to anarchism, I am afraid another LRA rebellion will be in the waiting
> >ready to happen! They don't even believe in laws imposed by legal
> >authority, they believe that ethics are a personal matter and should be
> >based upon others and the wellbeing of society! That explains why they
> >mutilate people without any remorse because in their thinking 'ethics are
a
> >personal matter' which depends on how individually someone interpretes
it,
> >and 'anarchism is what society needs for its wellbeing'. Guns can not
> >defeat such people, we will have to fight their beliefs which are deep
> >rooted. I don't even know how to fight their beliefs because they will
kill
> >any person tampering with their 'cause'.
> > >
> > >Uganda will HAVE to wake up from it's sleep and submit to the LRA
> >rebel's demands. No wonder the gov't has failed to make peaceful
ceasefire
> >negotiations with the rebels because the gov't itself is "a hierachial
> >economic authority 'leadership' inherently detrimental to the
maximization
> >of human potential" according to the LRA. Our gov't is power hungry, it
can
> >not give up such powers (federal or anarchist) to any region even if it
is
> >costing us an exstinction of groups of people.
> > >
> > >The LRA wants something way much more than federalism. I read some of
> >Mr. Oryema Johnson's postings on fedsnet about "seccession" of the
northern
> >region from Uganda. Oryema had some very very very important observations
> >and ideas which must not be ignored as non-nationalist. If the whole of
> >Uganda and her gov't will not be able to accomodate and accept northern
> >anarchism, there will be a NORTHERN SECCESSION by the force of you know
> >what, the LRA gun. This is a bloody marriage with fruits of death, if one
> >partner can not stand/live by the rules of the other, a sensible devorce
is
> >what is needed to stop the death fruits of the marriage.
> > >
> > >Federalists, correct me wherever I went wrong, but we need real
> >solutions to the war in the north. Our disguise of "nationalism" is not
> >even nationalism because any true nationalist would have solved this
> >problem years ago and saved national lives. This so called nationalism of
> >Uganda is about territory/land control and not its people. This makes
sense
> >why the people in the north refused Salim Saleh's plans of abandoning
their
> >land and start cultivating in concentration camps. The Uganda gov't does
> >all this sh**t and expects the LRA rebels to give up any time soon??
> > >
> > >Any federal solution to this anarchist situation in the north??
> > >
> > >
> > >Rehema M.
> >
> >
> >
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