Omokazu oba Omukazo aka Zakoomu/Mukooza:
I think you have lots of good points you are making. On federalism however, I think we as Ugandans should go slow on that. Thats just my opinion, you have the right to disagree with it.
Oliyo tiya nyabo?
Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Musaazi:Stop gossiping... and give us some statistics that show that Baganda soldiers were NOT specifically targeted to be laid off. Let us see some statistics.Infact non-Nyankore soldiers (regardles whether they are Baganda or Northerners) were laid off more than the Nyankore group.Also show us some evidence that the laid off soldiers were ALWAYS paid for every month they served in the army. Stop the chat and give us some facts.On my part, I have no statistics or evidence to give you about the accusations that Nyankores are killing Baganda soldiers, because such information can not be tolerated in local newspapers. Do you really believe that Mu7 will let his sleeping fellows know of what is going on?? I recieved that information from several former-UPDF soldiers, they know all the details.However, I will find some articles about non-pay of laid off soldiers and I will post it here. I will also post here articles of promoted soldiers in the army, and a huge majority of them are Nyankores.Zakoomu M.==================================================================
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Stop gossiping Rehema...give us some statitistics that show that Baganda
soldiers were specially targeted to be laid off. Infact northern soldiers
were laid off more than any other group...let us see some statitistics. Also
show us some evidence that the laid off soldiers were never ever
paid....stop the chat and give us some facts.
>From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: ugnet_: RE: ON WHOSE ORDER WERE THE MASSACRE CARRIED OUT
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:26:47 -0800 (PST)
>
>Musaazi:
>
>1st of all, Baganda soldiers were not forced into the army. He entered on
>free will. They did not know what is waiting for them ahead. They are just
>like any person who entered the army especially during Mu7's bu sh war to
>'liberate' the country. Boy, they didn't what they were 'liberating'! Had
>they known, they would not have joined the army.
>One of the Baganda soldiers who earlier found out what he had helped
>'liberate' was immidiately assassinated. Do I have to remind you of him??
>Okay, he is Dr. Lutaakome!
>
>When UPDF was scaled down, can you tell me the ages of the soldiers who
>were laid off?? Besides scalling down the army, what other possible reason
>would lead to their lay offs??
>
>Musaazi, I want to inform you that the soldiers who were laid off were
>older men & women (40yrs and above). These men were physically waring out,
>and many of them were forced to "retire". Many of these soldiers were laid
>off because the army commanders simply wanted to replace them with 'ghosts'
>so they can get the money. Did you even know about that?? Many of these
>soldiers were not paid for their services!
>
>Can you imagine being laid off after months of no pay, then to find out in
>the local newspapers that there are 'ghosts' in the battalion you once
>belonged to?? And that the commander/general in charge of the battalion
>you once belonged to, who laid you off is infact being charged with having
>'ghosts' in that battalion??
>
>So, don't bring your nonsense to me that the majority of soldiers who were
>laid off were Banyankore. Banyankore are not laid off, they are promoted.
>Banyankore order for the killings of Baganda (and other Ugandans) soldiers,
>once the UPDF is in war-tone zones. It is either one kills or gets killed!
> Our Baganda (and other Ugandans) soldiers' lives are in danger!
>
>Well, munange, you can live in fantasia by yourself. Some of us know what
>the truth is, and we shall continue to spread it to open ears.
>
>Zakoomu M.
>
>emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>Rehema, either you are lying or you are confused, how can you say that
>Baganda soldiers were pushed to go and fight in the north where they were
>forced by Ankole soldiers to kill felow Baganda...that does not make any
>sense whatsoever. If the Baganda don't want to be in the army then they
>should get out...everybody knows that dying and killing comes with the
>territory in the soldiering bussiness (that is an occupational
>hazard)....and yes you either kill or be killed. This phenomenon is not
>just
>unique to Ugandan soldiers, checkout all the wars that have happened in the
>world; first/second world war, Korean war, Vietnam, Deseart storm etc.,
>soldiers either kill or get killed, i'm sorry but that is the nature of
>war.
>
>People on this forum should remember that not so long ago (when Uganda was
>relatively at pe ace), UPDF was scaled down, as a matter of fact soldiers
>were reluctantly laid off (most didn't want to leave). It is also a blatant
>lie that Baganda soldiers are disproportionately sent to the war front.
>What
>is your remedy then, more northerners should be sent to the war front,
>since
>it is their people and their region where the conflict is or more
>banyankole
>should be sent to the war front since the President is a from Ankole or the
>number of Baganda soldiers should be reduced drastically so that less of
>them have to die during a war (since you don't want any Muganda soldier
>killed duing a war). Rehema you can't eat your cake and have it at the same
>time.
>
>Once upon a time northerners dominated the army and southerners had it
>rough
>(from Idi Amin days through to Obote II), then northern soldiers fought and
>died (it wasn't an issue to you then). Now their ar e more southerners in
>the
>army, which to me is fare since demographically their are more southerners
>than northerners in Uganda, going by quotas. Well it is then obvious that
>in
>the event of a war more southern soldiers will die, because they are more
>in
>the army now, it doesn't matter whether the war is in Lira, Kitgum,
>Mbarara,
>Bulemezi, Congo, or somewhere in Europe, those are the facts, if you want
>less southern soldiers to die during a war, then cut down on the number of
>soldiers from the south full stop.
>
>
> >From: Rehema Mukooza
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: ugnet_: Re: ON WHOSE ORDER WERE THE MASSACRE CARRIED OUT
> >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:33:33 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Bwanika:
> >
> >This business of sending Baganda Army men to the front l ines has been
> >taking place for along as in the early years of Museveni's dictatorship!
>I
> >have friends who used to be in the army and some of them were sent to DR.
> >Congo like 5-6yrs ago, and others to North Uganda. They can tell the
>story
> >real well and as accurate as the saw the events taking place.
> >
> >They reported to me that Banyankole army men were treated as "supposed"
>to
> >be the leaders at the top. Baganda army men were treated as supposed to
>do
> >the dirty, bloody job. They even reported that there is a law/guideline
> >that states that Banyankole are untouchable and above the law. Baganda
> >army men were told to kill fellow Baganda and not to dare touch a
> >Munyankole. These are facts!
> >
> >Most of these former army friends of mine simply ran out of the army. And
> >I'm telling you that running o ut o f the army is not an easy thing. Death
> >could be involved! These people had to abandon family members and hide
>out
> >in far places were the army could not possibly think they could be. Many
> >of Baganda army men who leave the army as reported by my friends are
> >usually killed! The news is usually reported to their families as
>friendly
> >fire, killed by the rebels, disappeared, etc, and some are not reported
>at
> >all, the army disowns and denies their services in the army.
> >
> >A particular friend who was sent to the North war-zone, particularly
> >emphasized that the UPDF is the one that kills civilians. I was shocked!
> >He told me that many men in the army are forced to kill people in the
> >North. It is either you kill or get killed! Many Baganda men are killed
> >over there and in any other area the UPDF sends its soldiers. He said
>that
> >its Museveni and his Nyankore men's way of keeping the Baganda numbers
>low
> >in the army. They are afraid that Baganda will take over due to their
> >excellent performance in the operations carried out. That is the same way
> >they treat people of other tribes, especially those who come from the
> >North. They are in the same situation Baganda army men are in.
> >
> >The good thing is that my friends ran out of the army because they could
> >not kill innocent civilians anymore, or kill fellow friends in the army.
> >After a long time of hidding out, they returned back to their families
>and
> >many of them moved to other places due to fear. The truth can not be
> >denied. Museveni is a killer!
> >
> >Zakoomu M.
> >
> >dbbwanika db wrote:
> >In support of Hon Jack Sabiiti on the massacre of service men by their
> >employer we want a full investigation !
> >
> >
> >Vice President H.E. Prof. Gilbert Bukenya
> >Ministry of Justices Hon. Janet B. Mukwaya
> >Ministry of Internal Affairs Hon.Dr.Ruhakana Rugunda
> >Internal Affairs Hon. Dr. Kezimbira Miyingo
> >Security Hon. Betty Akech
> >The Democratic Party secretariat
> >Conservative Party Secretariat
> >Uganda Peoples Congress Secretariat
> >The Free Movement Secretariat
> >National Democrats Forum Secretariat
> >Justice Forum Secretariat
> >All Members of parliament
> >Uganda human right commission
> >The European Delegation in Uganda
> >
> >
> >In the recent meeting in the suburbs of Kampala, Hon. Jack Sabiiti was
> >quoted by the Uganda major radio station as having said that Baganda
> >soldiers in the National Resistance Army wer e sent to Northern Uganda and
> >murdered.
> >
> >However Hon. Jack Sabiiti was short of calling on Uganda parliament and
>the
> >National Resistance Movement government to call a full investigation into
> >the massacre of Uganda military service men by their employer the
>National
> >resistance army.
> >
> >We in the democratic farmers workers alliance � Uganda (dfwa-u) therefore
> >profoundly wish to call on all entities that this letter is addressed �
>to
> >call on the parliament of Uganda, Uganda human right commission, the
> >international criminal court and the European delegation in Uganda to
>start
> >full investigations into what Hon. Sabiiti mentioned at the meeting.
> >
> >We take the issue as a very serious matter of grave concerned in the
> >violation of personal human rights to which Uganda government is a& lt; BR>> >signatory, to the security of individual soldiers in the army and the
> >nation at large.
> >
> >Bwanika
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