Mr. Kipenji,
In my book, referring to people who call themselves English, Britons, British, Scots, Irish, or even French as Bazungu changes their respective identities about as much as referring to the Langi, Nigerians, Maasai as Africans.
And, it displays just about the same amount of ignorance in that structure resting above the neck of the speaker.
With that weighty matter disposed disposed of, please answer the question we all waiting for, namely: what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years so that we may all learn from you?
Gakyaali Mabaga
Ssemakula.
ps: fyi - among the Baganda, the custom of "okulanya" is well entrenched. A form of it consist of reciting one's ancestors on both sides and is one way of discovering any previously unknow relations. The general pattern is something like: Enda à Empya (Oluggya) à Olunnyiriri à Omutuba à Essiga à Ekika à Buganda (Kabaka). One then elaborates on his or her forefathers and foremothers (Bajjajja), etc.
It mirrors the other important relationship:
Amaka à Ekyalo à Omuluka à Eggombolola à Essaza àBuganda (Katikkiro).
One might say something like:
Ammannya gange nze Gundi, ndu musajja (mukazi) Muganda. Nsibuka mu maka (luggya) ga Gundi e Gindi, ekiri mu muluka Gundi, oguli mu ggombolola gundi, mu ssaza ly'eGindi, mu Buganda.
Nneddira muziro Gundi, akabbiro Gundi, Omubala gwaffe gwe guno: X Y Z. Nva Lunnyiriri lwa Gundi, mu Mutuba Gundi, mu kika Gundi. Jjajjanga azaala kitange ye Gundi, era ndi muzzukulu wa Gundi e Gindi, ndi muzzukulu wa Gundi eyebase e Gindi (in reverse order of grandfathers and grandmothers). One goes back at least 4 or 5 generations. More prominent people are expected to go back further but usually stop at 7 to 10 generations, time allowing. The same is done for the maternal side. Then the same is done on the maternal size. If one is fortunate to be a decendant of someone who did something unusual, that fact is mentioned by their name, e.t.c.
The Badama might well consider all this a waste of time. We don't.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:44:35 +0100 (BST)
Can you face the truth as you want it.
Continue with your culture and for your
personal info,Badama are the Kiganda name
for people who proudly call themselves Japs.
I think that will teach you a few basic knowledge
and remove an iota of ignorance from that structure
resting above your neck.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mr. Kipenji,
How about addressing the substantive issues raied by Mr. Dada? i.e. what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years so that we may all learn from you?
Deriding us, the Baganda, for our cultural norms, e.g. the emphasis we place on our geneology or descent is just about as productive as me deriding the diet, way of life or culture of the Badama.
Face the truth.
Gakyali Mabaga (do you know what it really means?),
Ssemakula.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:32:37 +0100 (BST)
Adam,stop this stupid posturing of being who you are not.
This cheap apostasy will take you know where.
And for the nth time I will put you together with the obtunded
dunderhead Zakoomu in the same quartile of those whose
pedastal logic will not warrant my indulgence.
Thank you.
Let your apostasy lead you through your amaurotic philisophy
about life.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Owor, in fairness to Baganda, they at least have something to show for their
"Gakyaali mabaga". What have we in the north got to show for the dominance
of the polical scene post-independece. The truth is - NOTHING!!!. The
Baganda may not be Canadians, by they are light years ahead of us and, by
the way, we should really concentrate on how we can save the situation in
our area, rather than picking on Buganda's "motto that appears to lead us to
a cul-de sac". Who is in the cul-de-sac between us and the Baganda? My
friend, you better have a reality check and aknowledge the dire situation we
Northerners are in dear. Also, when were you last in Buganda? For you info,
mud and wattle houses are now almost extinct in Buganda, being replace with
corrogated roofed brick and mortar structures throught the Kingdom. We are,
on the other hand still heavily burdened with thatched huts as the standard
mode of housing. So please brother Kipenji, I strongly advise a reality
check and direct your efforts where it is really needed.
Thanks
Adam
>From: Owor Kipenji
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST)
>
>Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all
>that passes for one with the exception that you really did not
>pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died
>in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff.
>Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising
>then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month
>after his colourful wedding?
>If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually
>celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow
>could be one of the listers on this forum?
>Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and
>White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person
>will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you
>come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail
>the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter
>less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning
>to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still
>bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and
>busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded
>them from death.
>With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since
>about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga".
>Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de
>sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed
>results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward and
>that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother
>Uganda.
>Thank you.
>Kipenji.
>_____________________________________________________________________________________________-----
>
>Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>What is the population of Baganda? Just curious !
>
>Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni
>was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda
>under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be
>answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they
>say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to
>sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep?
>
>Em
>
>Toronto
>
> The Mulindwas Communication Group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Y Yaobang
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM
>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
>
>
>
>Ssenyange:
>
>You stated:
>
>"... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ..."
>
>This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if
>you ended up in court over this!!
>
>y
>
>
> >From: "ssenya nyange"
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400
> >
> >
> >Owor Kipenji,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to
> >celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as
> >many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who
> >had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the
> >500,000 relatives under Oyite's command.
> >Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and
> >indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did
> >the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He
> >was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood
> >of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road
> >map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map
> >victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to
> >continue ruling for another 5 years.
> >
> >Ssenyange
> >
> >---------------------------------------
> >
> >>From: Owor Kipenji
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST)
> >>
> >>What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is typical of the tools
> >>many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait for the course of
> >>nature to rescue them from their own failings.
> >>Death is the only democratic process that exists in Life and hence
> >>Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk of this world will
> >>somehow circumvent it.
> >>Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe epitomizes the level of
> >>ignorance that surrounds that person.
> >>Mr Ssenyange,one of these days if you have time,read that
> >>book"Jesus
> >>Christus unser Schiksaal(Jesus Christ our Destiny) by Wilheim Busch
> >>and therein you will come of age to understand why today,unlike
> >>then the Jews behave collectively in grieving the death of even the
> >>least of their members.
> >>Thank you.
> >>Kipenji.
> >>________________________________________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>gook makanga wrote:
> >>
> >>Ssenyange,
> >>
> >>The celebrations were in Nairobi? Dont you find that strange? Why
> >>in Nairobi when the Mood in Kla was of saddness? I was in Kla then
> >>and i could also show you a pic. of a crowd of Ugandans in
> >>mourning.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Gook
> >>
> >>"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----Original Message Follows----
> >>From: "ssenya nyange"
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:31:15 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >>The auther doesnt know how majority people celebrated, boosed and
> >>danced upon the news of Oyite's death. At that time I was in
> >>Nairobi and I wish I could show you some of the pictures of
> >>celebrants in a big public place. Its not good to celebrating
> >>someones death but Oyite's case was very different. It was like the
> >>Jews celebrating the death of Hitler. The celebration paid off 2
> >>years later.
> >>
> >>J. Ssenyange
> >>---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "gook makanga"
> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here
> >> >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:27: 53 +0000
> >> >
> >>
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