I don't know which authorities you are referring to, but reputable sources like
Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International clearly disagree with you. You
and your gang may try to revise our history but you can't bury the truth.
You have now turned to being abusive after failing to address the substance. That's
a sign of frustration. The fact of the matter is that your attempt to evoke the emotions
of Baganda on this forum, by mentioning that a Muganda perished together with the
head of the UPC killing machine, did not work.
Kasangwawo
From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:08:08 +0100 (BST)
Do not expose more of your ignorance by refuting what is written
by authorities that you have not yet read.
Read more and you'll be better informed otherwise continue
with your cheerleader role which apparently is your best trademark.
You always find it fit to appear to corroborate what your think tanks
tell you other than stating what you personally know for a fact.
What an imbecile!.
Since cheerleading is what you excel best in,I grant you the floor and
continue with it till your voice gets hoarse.
Just for improving on your imbecility,ever heard the saying: "living by the Riverside or near a Lake does not mean you eat Fish everyday,let alone know how to fish?".
Next time before you peddle more of your ignorance on this fora,think about it.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ooh, I'm overwhelmed with emotion !
Kipenji, just cut the crap ! Are we now supposed to shed tears for a man who
had joined the head of the killing machine of his own people ? I don't think
so.
You are one of those wiseacres (like Odwe) I was talking about recently; you
know, the ones who pretend to know about a culture better than the owners of
that culture. The motto 'Gakyaali mabaga' (incidentally this is the motto of
King's College Buddo and not of the Buganda kingdom) is an inspiration to
excellence; an encouragement to always strive to do better. Where you get
the idea that this leads to a cul-de-sac is beyond me. Since you are not
even a Muganda, I don't see why you are obliged to follow that motto if you
feel its no good.
Similarly, your adverse remarks about olunyiriri and emituba (not 'entuba') are just a display of your ignorance about Kiganda culture and are of no consequence. If you are making them out of envy, too bad. Whether you are bothered by these traditions or not, I'm afraid they are here to stay.
Kasangwawo
>From: Owor Kipenji
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST)
>
>Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all
>that passes for one with the exception that you really did not
>pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died
>in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff.
>Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising
>then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month
>after his colourful wedding?
>If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually
>celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow
>could be one of the listers on this forum?
>Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and
>White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person
>will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you
>come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail
>the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter
>less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning
>to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still
>bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and
>busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded
>them from death.
>With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since
>about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga".
>Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de
>sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed
>results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward and
>that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother
>Uganda.
>Thank you.
>Kipenji.
>_____________________________________________________________________________________________-----
>
>Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>What is the population of Baganda? Just curious !
>
>Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni
>was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda
>under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be
>answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they
>say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to
>sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep?
>
>Em
>
>Toronto
>
> The Mulindwas Communication Group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Y Yaobang
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM
>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
>
>
>
>Ssenyange:
>
>You stated:
>
>"... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ..."
>
>This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if
>you ended up in court over this!!
>
>y
>
>
> >From: "ssenya nyange"
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400
> >
> >
> >Owor Kipenji,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to
> >celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as
> >many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who
> >had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the
> >500,000 relatives under Oyite's command.
> >Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and
> >indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did
> >the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He
> >was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood
> >of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road
> >map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map
> >victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to
> >continue ruling for another 5 years.
> >
> >Ssenyange
> >
> >---------------------------------------
> >
> >>From: Owor Kipenji
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST)
> >>
> >>What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is typical of the tools
> >>many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait for the course of
> >>nature to rescue them from their own failings.
> >>Death is the only democratic process that exists in Life and hence
> >>Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk of this world will
> >>somehow circumvent it.
> >>Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe epitomizes the level of
> >>ignorance that surrounds that person.
> >>Mr Ssenyange,one of these days if you have time,read that
> >>book"Jesus
> >>Christus unser Schiksaal(Jesus Christ our Destiny) by Wilheim Busch
> >>and therein you will come of age to understand why today,unlike
> >>then the Jews behave collectively in grieving the death of even the
> >>least of their members.
> >>Thank you.
> >>Kipenji.
> >>________________________________________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>gook makanga wrote:
> >>
> >>Ssenyange,
> >>
> >>The celebrations were in Nairobi? Dont you find that strange? Why
> >>in Nairobi when the Mood in Kla was of saddness? I was in Kla then
> >>and i could also show you a pic. of a crowd of Ugandans in
> >>mourning.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Gook
> >>
> >>"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----Original Message Follows----
> >>From: "ssenya nyange"
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here\
> >>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:31:15 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >>The auther doesnt know how majority people celebrated, boosed and
> >>danced upon the news of Oyite's death. At that time I was in
> >>Nairobi and I wish I could show you some of the pictures of
> >>celebrants in a big public place. Its not good to celebrating
> >>someones death but Oyite's case was very different. It was like the
> >>Jews celebrating the death of Hitler. The celebration paid off 2
> >>years later.
> >>
> >>J. Ssenyange
> >>---------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "gook makanga"
> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok’s family secrets buried here
> >> >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:27: 53 +0000
> >> >
> >>
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