Kasangwawo
Can you define "A UPC supporter" ? Secondly why would a die hard of Buganda
be on Ugandanet and Ugandacom instead of Bugandanet?
Your explanation fits where you were subscribed but if you meant Ugandanet,
it was and has been a national forum trust me all along.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: ugnet_: OWE'K KASANGWAWO
> Mr Dada,
>
> I couldn't have put it better. The man is all over the place. He also
thinks
> that the longer he
> writes the more sense he makes - yet the opposite is true. Someone once
said
> that you can
> tell how intelligent a person is by how concise s/he can put down the
> relevant facts. Well, by
> looking at his ramblings below, you be the judge.
>
> Before I finish, let me expose the lie with which Mulindwa begins his
> posting. When I joined this forum a few years ago, Baganda-bashing was the
> daily hobby of some netters. Some people couldn't stand it anymore and
> decided to keep quiet, but a few people like myself started challenging
this
> unbecoming behaviour. After some of these bashers could not stand the
heat,
> they decided to shut up instead of further embarrassing themselves with
> baseless allegations against Baganda. As you probably can guess, most of
> these people are UPC supporters. What you see today still making baseless
> allegations are the remainder of these morons.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: OWE'K KASANGWAWO
> >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:03:47 +0000
> >
> >
> >"Mulindwa" - Your convoluted postings are indicative of your scattered
> >mind. Why do you need a page to state what can be said in a couple of
> >words, all of which is crap anyway. UPC is anathema in Buganda and parts
of
> >the North - period. Like your hero Obote, I can't see it surviving for
much
> >longer - they are both imminently doomed to extinction - thats the
reality
> >- love it, loath it, but you brain somehow can't grasp that fact. As for
> >you, it hurts that you continue to admantly insist that you are a Muganda
> >and denounce us for some reason, as if owning up to your true origins
will
> >demean you and your stature somehow. We are all human beings, though with
> >varying degrees of civilization and devopment, which shouldn't really
> >matter, as long as were are as Northerners committed to at least doing
> >something for our folk who are doom stone age-style existence. I can't to
> >it alone, I need to enlist the assistance of my tribesmen like you.
Trouble
> >is, they are all too eaten up by envying other areas, to realize that
> >things are nose-diving. As a matter of fact, even animals don't destroy
> >themselves the way we are doing to ourselves. Look at what Kony is doing
to
> >us, his own people! I can remember seeing that a similar thing in
Buganda,
> >or elsewhere in Uganda for that matter. "Mulindwa", Kipenji, Oracha el
al,
> >please lets do something for our people. Leave the Baganda alone - it is
> >sheer stupidity, as if we are all bewitched!
> >Adam
> >
> >>From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: ugnet_: OWE'K KASANGWAWO
> >>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:13:11 -0400
> >>
> >>Mwaami Kasangwawo
> >>
> >>It is true that many Ugandans abandoned these forums for there is truly
> >>nothing much to gain. But there are those of us who feel that we as
> >>Ugandans
> >>can discuss matters of our nation from a backed up process than Munange
> >>bang'ambye, for that munange ba'ngabye is well and alive to the villages
> >>we
> >>are born. All I am trying to do is to change trend to see that we as
> >>Ugandans who have been abroad can surely up lift this debate from the
> >>Malwa
> >>talk to serious talk. For you know what? We are discussing matters which
> >>directly result into the loss of the lives of our people.
> >>
> >>Let me add as well that I was in the meeting in Toronto where it was
> >>decided
> >>that every Southerner must be militarily trained, a meeting which
produced
> >>the infamous Chaka Muchaka, and the reasoning people like Professor
Kasozi
> >>now who is in Mbale University as a professor had, were that Uganda's
> >>atrocities were caused by Northerners. But as a Muganda I found that
hard
> >>to
> >>believe either way for the following reasons
> >>
> >>1) State research bureau had the least Northerners, and I do not even
> >>remember a prominent northerner in State research, but it was an
> >>institution
> >>which killed a great number of people. But the majority of those
officers
> >>were Baganda and Westerners including Rwandese. Acholis and Langis? Nah
> >>they
> >>were not in Nakasero.
> >>2) I can not remember any government (again I am going to go with facts
> >>than nawulidde) that has made Buganda as powerful as she was under UPC
> >>government. Intelligent as I believe you are you surely know how many
> >>powerful ministerial positions Baganda hold in both UPC governments. Yes
> >>Museveni and NRM have given Baganda powerful positions, but Kiseka who
was
> >>a
> >>PM, died a beggar, a man who sold all he had including the land that
today
> >>no one knows where Kiseka's body is, for the owner of his land was
forced
> >>by
> >>NRM to let a plot to lay in the body of Kiseka as a state funeral. What
> >>happened after the convoys left, you and I surely do not know. Andrew
> >>Kayiira was murdered, Edward Mugalu was shot day light, The whole pile
of
> >>Doctors we had in Doctor's village in were attacked and murdered by
> >>Fronasa
> >>during the Lule days. Many of whom were Baganda. I can give you a whole
> >>list
> >>of Baganda killed by this government. It baffles every right thinking
> >>Ugandan that all these NRM murders have gone un noticed by a man like
you
> >>and your fellow federalists. But how can you notice them when all of you
> >>believe that Museveni killed no body in Luwero District and Oyite Ojok
> >>killed 500 000 people?
> >>
> >>++++++++(Now I know that this paragraph will be used to attack me as a
UPC
> >>supporter, and to those I will state that I have never had a plan to run
> >>out
> >>of Uganda until when UPC threw me into Makindye to until when my life
was
> >>on
> >>a wire, and there are many people both in Uganda and Kenya who saw me a
> >>week
> >>after the death of Oyite Ojok who mis took me for a dead person. Yes the
> >>days when Ssenyange's were in Nairobi drinking for a Ugandan is dead, I
> >>was
> >>praying hard that God helps me to see my body produce shit at least
once.
> >>And Kasangwawo I wonder whether you were in Makindye ever? So before
those
> >>who were drinking in Nairobi attack me, should ask them selves why I
> >>bother
> >>this much?)+++++++++
> >>
> >>3) The years I have been abroad have helped me to polish on my primitive
> >>thinking, and I have looked at Buganda issues very objectively. Unlikely
> >>Mr.
> >>Mukooza and Dada and Ssenyange and Dr Kigongo who believe that Uganda
will
> >>be build by Baganda. Or sorry I take that back, who think that Buganda
is
> >>developed and what we need to day is to wake up the stupid Kipenji and
> >>Grakanga and Matek to developed their area as Baganda developed it. I
> >>decided to ask my self a very simple question, why do Ugandans love UPC?
> >>Why
> >>is every body fighting for Obote's and none for Mutesa for example? That
> >>to
> >>today I do not know. But this I know, UPC believed and still believes in
> >>very high education. We can call Obote all bad names we have, but the
> >>bottom
> >>line remains that he got more scholarships for Buganda than all previous
> >>Uganda leaders combined. That includes Sir Edward Mutesa, President
Lule,
> >>President Binayisa, up to and into Ssabasajja Mutebi. Who all happen to
be
> >>Baganda leaders. If you are careful you will realize that I have not
> >>included Paul Kawanga. (Yes he could get scholarship for Buganda for
even
> >>obote worked hard to overthrow Amin when he was not in power, and yes
> >>Baganda continued to get education abroad) or even Amin who had the
Moslem
> >>money pumped into Uganda daily. Now having established that, why should
> >>Obote as a Northerner ever care to get a Muganda kid educated?
> >>
> >>4) If Uganda atrocities were caused by Northerners, why has Uganda
failed
> >>to settle down now 20 years after Obote left power?
> >>
> >>5) During my imprisonment in Makindye the people who fade us were
> >>Northerner, but a Muganda or Munyankole would not. And I am kindly
> >>challenging you to ask any one who was in Makindye, to tell us
otherwise.
> >>
> >>Let me not bore you for all these intricacies I am posting here are not
> >>for
> >>your grade. These are meat with bones which can be eaten by an adult. An
> >>adult who is willing to make statements and stand by them 20 years down
> >>the
> >>road, and I will give you the names of those who listened and called me
a
> >>stupid Muganda who does not know how Buganda is going to be okay under
> >>Museveni.
> >>1) Professor kasozi (Who is in Mbaale uni)
> >>2) Tomusange (Who was a lab tech in London but made a Ugandan ambassador
> >>in
> >>Ottawa for he was a Lule supporter)
> >>3) Dr Nakanyike (Who decided to leave Canada and go to Uganda to work
for
> >>a
> >>killer government)
> >>4) Dr Musisi -The husband of Nakanyike- (Who as well went to support the
> >>mass murderess)
> >>5) Rugundu (Who left Toronto after being offered a job as a Manager
Coffee
> >>marketing Board -London office)
> >>6) Dr George Otto Who kindly resides in Toronto
> >>And I can continue on and on for I have lots.
> >>
> >>In conclusion Mwaami Kasangwawo and your good Baganda, you have hurt our
> >>cause. A cause of people like my self who has never got a pant from
Obote
> >>or
> >>Amin or Mutesa or Mutebi or Museveni. A people who know that if a
> >>Northerner
> >>or a Southerner or a Moslem or Catholic leads Uganda it does not matter
we
> >>will still have to go to work. A people who love Buganda where we were
> >>born
> >>and love it as a cultural entity and not as a political entity. A people
> >>who
> >>know that there is no political development that can be achieved in
Uganda
> >>other than through political party's. As people who have accepted that
> >>Ugandans love UPC and the only way we can oppose that is by either
> >>refusing
> >>Ugandans to love that party or by studying what it does. For when we
look
> >>in
> >>the future of Uganda, either way you slice it, UPC is here to stay, for
> >>after 20 years Ugandans still march on Kampala road with UPC uniforms.
> >>
> >>Is Obote forcing Ugandans to put on UPC uniforms and march on Kampala
road
> >>when he is in Lusaka?
> >>
> >>Your making this debate a tribal debate, and turning it into Baganda and
> >>Northerners, has denied us the chance to have a legitimate and adult
> >>discussion where we can put UPC as a party to carpet. UPC has a lot of
> >>explaining to do. There are those of us who were imprisoned during Obote
> >>two, and we want to be allowed to ask why? There are those of us who
> >>wonder
> >>why the difference between UPC one and UPC two. But we can not ask those
> >>questions when you have made Uganda issue a Baganda developed, a
> >>Northerner
> >>primitive and federalism a Uganda last pill. And that takes away our
only
> >>opportunity to have a good but serious discussion on these and other
> >>matters
> >>of importance about Uganda.
> >>
> >>I hope you help every one in these forums to uplift this discussion from
> >>the
> >>ghettoes the federalist have thrown it into.
> >>
> >>Em
> >>Toronto
> >>
> >> The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:41 PM
> >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mulindwa,
> >> >
> >> > the only idiot here is you and gang who obstinately refuse to believe
> >>the
> >> > facts as confirmed even
> >> > by independent sources.
> >> >
> >> > That aside, I found the reason you gave for the introduction of a
> >>register
> >> > quite amusing. You seem to think that everyone is on welfare like you
> >>while
> >> > you at the same time travel to far places like Winnipeg or even Hong
> >>Kong
> >> > for kyeyo ! I hope they don't find out about these extra activities
of
> >> > yours, otherwise your welfare check might be confiscated.
> >> >
> >> > Kasangwawo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here
> >> > >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:30:14 -0400
> >> > >
> >> > >Zakoomu
> >> > >
> >> > >Is Kipenji from the North?
> >> > >
> >> > >Apparently straight questions are never answered in this forum.
> >>Remember
> >> > >the idiot who stated that Oyite Ojok murdered 500 000 Baganda in
> >>Luwero
> >> > >District? Facts faced him and he dumped his tail right where it
> >>belongs
> >>in
> >> > >his legs. That is why I continue that we can never put changes in
> >>Uganda
> >> > >until when we make a national register a mandatory, we need to
> >>register
> >>all
> >> > >Ugandans, finger print them and make a national identity card. In
that
> >>way
> >> > >we will kill two birds with two stones (a) If you make allegations
on
> >>some
> >> > >one, you can be sued and your well fare check can be confiscated and
> >>(b)
> >> > >You will not have a right to be Mukooza and call your self Zakoomu.
> >> > >
> >> > >We must create a sense of accountability in our society it is as
> >>important
> >> > >as nothing more.
> >> > >
> >> > >Em
> >> > >Toronto
> >> > >
> >> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: Rehema Mukooza
> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:14 PM
> >> > > Subject: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Kipenji:
> >> > >
> >> > > How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike
> >>you
> >> > >who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North,
> >>people
> >> > >are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny
> >>it.
> >> > >You galla be livin' la vida fantasia.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Zakoomu M.
> >> > >
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