Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC

Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:51:55 -0700

"M7 was supported by the Baganda for the joint effort they embarked on to relieve themselves of the rather difficult circumstances they were in under Obote. "
 
 
It just amazes me how a true Ugandan can honestly stand up and look with a straight face to claim that  Baganda supported Museveni in Luwero war. Were you people actually leaving in Luwero or you were reading these things on the net? And that is how we as people who were in Luwero really get pissed for Nome you have no idea what you are talking about. But again it is some thing we have to agree with as Obote again sent a Uganda girl to London to poison Mutesa, a man we all know was alcoholic and collapsed on a firkin bottle.
Museveni refused to recruit even a single Uganda in Luwero, he took all Rwandese who were doing the farming in our land and he used them instead of Baganda, Luwero was used not for support but for logistics, food being one of them and many cassava plantations were taken by force. In the end Baganda were recruited and if you showed that you were a good fighter you were killed in luwero. We even have an incident where Baganda stole amenvu for they had no food, and they were put on a firing squad. How were the Kagame's of today created?
And here we are today a true Uganda is preaching how they supported Museveni while in bush. No he actually wanted the least from us and yes he was right.
 
Em
Toronto
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC

Mr Njoki
 
It is not only Luweero Obote should be asked about
 
There are the 1966-1971 killings at Nakulabye, Kisubi ,Lubiri etc

Then there are the infamous killings outside Luwero like Panda Gari where young Baganda boys from the age of 12 were picked up from the street  early morning on the way to school and killed; and the numerous people who were killed by his state research goons like M7 all over Buganda.
 
He should be asked particulary about the after midnight house searches where people used to be dragged out of their homes at night and be killed just for being Baganda ( aduyi)
 
The  Obote men used to taunt Baganda re-telling stories of how the stupid cowardly Baganda
cry when they break down their doors at night , " Omuganda agamba twala bintu naye leka bulamu ....."
 
M7 was supported by the Baganda for the joint effort they embarked on to relieve themselves of the rather difficult circumstances they were in under Obote.
 
Now that Baganda support for M7 has gone, and the ki-federo deal with Mengo was roundly rejected by the majority of Baganda, M7 is using the last card he has, by bringing back  the bogeyman  Obote..
 
By bringing back or claiming to bring Obote back, M7 wants to remind the Baganda what Obote did to them, so that they stick with him (M7), who will continue to kill the northerners as he has done for the last 19 years.
 
 I am sure that M7 thought that the Baganda will come out shouting as soon as he announced the return of Obote. That they did not, bothers M7 no end.
 
He is not sure what to read out of this.  Have the Baganda forgiven Obote ? ( in which case they will still NOT vote for M7) , or is M7 perceived to be as bad as Obote ? ( in which case they will still NOT support M7) 
 
Fortunately Obote knows the truth and I dont think he will come back anyway.
 
Nume

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Mulindwa,
To begin with, I have a name. If you had bothered to check at the end of the
mail, you would have clearly seen my name and address. But for the record, I'm
Paul Njoki.

All Ugandans are movementists indeed even after parties like U.P.C. NRM-O, CP
ect have registered and recruited members!!

About Hajji Sebirumbi, a man who was sick. He should have thought about that at
the time he commited the crimes for which he was sentenced. I'm sure among the
people he was accused and convicted of killing or either the killing were the
sick and the old.

And yes, in Mukono, the likes of Keffa Ssemapngi have defected.

As for Uganda being a zoo, you are entaitled to your opinion. It is just a pity
you were also brought up in a zoo!

Nice day

PAUL NJOKI

Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> First of all no one defects to movement because all Ugandans are
> Movementists. Isn't that the old school of thoughts? Secondly I have
> lived
> here long enough to know the American system of it is okay we will take
> him
> to a trial then we will kill him. Third, how has Rwakasiisi's being in
> jail
> this long changed Uganda for better?
>
> No wonder you have no name for it all makes sense to you including the
>
> murdering of Haji Musa Ssebirumbi, a man who was clearly very sick and
>
> disabled.
>
> Again I insist Uganda is a ZOO let us just learn to move on with out it
> for
> this kind of reasoning just baffles me.
>
> Em
> Toronto
> The Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>
>
> Mw. Mulindwa,
> One thing that we seem to agree on here is that we want Obote like
> anyone
> else
> who thinks it is not a "zoo" to get back to Uganda if they so with.
> The
> disagreement is the on whether or not there should be a blanket amnesty.
> I
> say
> no amnesty to Dr. Obote or anybody else who may have been responsible
> for
> any
> killings in Uganda. No one is about to drag any of them to prison before
> a
> hearing. They will have to earn their places there if they can not
> defend
> themselves.
>
> Fortunately Dr. Obote is so popular that Mukono (Never mind the
> massive
> defection to the Mvnt there) has raised 25 cows for his welcome. Such a
>
> person
> should not find it hard to get back and correct the wrong impression
> that
> has
> been created about him.
>
> Yes there some former Obote ministers in government and nothing has been
>
> done
> about them, but lets also remind ourselves that there others like
> Rwakasisi
> who
> are in Luzira. Dr. Obote could just turn out to be like those who are
> innocent
> enough to be appointed ministers in Museveni's regime.
>
>
>
> Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > And if Obote decides not to come back to Uganda? Then it is okay?
> What
> >
> > happened to critical thinking? So all ministers in that government
> who
> > are
> > in Uganda and some who are working in NRM all UNLA officers in
> Uganda
> > today
> & gt; does not matter you just need Obote to tell you how he killed
> Ugandans
> > in
> > Luwero? No wonder NRM is starting to set terms of Obote's return
> because
> >
> > they are now knowing how Ugandans love Obote.
> >
> > And it is amazing that just last night I talked to a Ugandan at
> length
> >
> > regarding this return, and she said these words and I quote "No
> Obote
> > can
> > come back for we have tried our best to kill all UPCs so no problem
> he
> > can
> > show up no one cares" end quote. Umm well Mukono only has so far
> raised
> > 25
> > cows, what does that tell you about the man and about what Ugandans
> feel
> >
> > about him?.
> >
> > Uganda is a ZOO indeed and Museveni is a zoo keeper, guys stay there
> I
> > will
> > stay here.
> >
> > Em
> > Toronto
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
> >
> >
> > Mr. Mulindwa,
> > It is a pity it took you a lot of trouble to get the real cause of
> > Kabaka's
> > death. He was dead and trying to get an answer from him would not
> have
> > been
> > very easy.
> >
> > In this case however, Dr. Obote is alive and can talk for himself,
> > fortunately
> > he is endowed with an abundant ability to convince even the doubting
> > ones
> > like
> > me. He can surely get back to Uganda and convince us that it was not
> him
> > but
> > President Museveni who was responsible for the killings in NOT ONLY
> > Luwero
> > but
> > other parts of the country as well.
> >
> > Some of us would have been willing to listen to his side of the
> story
> > even
> > 20
> > yrs ago. I'm sure, then just like now, he would get a judge and
> general
> >
> > public
> > to listen to his side of the story. He just wasn't there to give it.
> Now
> >
> > that
> > he is going back to Uganda, why do you want to deny as the
> opportunity
> > to
> > listen to his side of the story? It is not just now that we are
> > getting
> > interested in it. As to why the Movement is interested in it now, may
> be
> > the
> > answer can best be got from Mr. Opondo, the movement spokesperson.
> >
> > Mr. Mulindwa, would rather, that Dr. Obote comes back and no
> questions
> > are
> > asked and therefore all off us remain guessing who was responsible
> for
> > all
> > the
> > deaths during his regime? Some of us would like to set a precedence
> that
> >
> > will
> > see even President Museveni held responsible for any wrongs
> committed
> > while
> > he
> > was in power. We will have to moral authority to demand for that if
> we
> >
> > cannot
> > demand for it from Dr. Obote now.
> >
> > Nice day.
> >
> > Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been
> asked?
> > Did
> > > you
> > > really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And
> > why
> > > has
> > > The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I
> saw
> > The
> > > Paul
> > > Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The
> > Movement
> > > is
> > > the one to have every thing to hide?
> > >
> > > But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero
> and
> > we
> > >
> > > accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a
> Muganda
> > girl
> > > who
> > > was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's postmortem
> > > report
> > > and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a plain
> > > drunkard.
& gt; > > And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his death
> > > because
> > > it is some thing we must just believe.
> > >
> > > Uganda is truly a ZOO indeed
> > >
> > > Em
> > > Toronto
> > >
> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Onegi,
> > > Since the facts are there, and Dr. Obote is that intelligent and
> > ; with
> > > the
> > > ability to convince, why can't he just get back to Uganda and
> > convince
> > > the
> > > courts of law and Ugandans at large, that it was President
> Museveni
> > and
> > > not
> > > him
> > > who was responsible for all the deaths. Why is he denying Ugandans
> > these
> > >
> > > facts?
> > > Anyway for your information Mr. Onegi, I'm one of those who do not
> > know
> > > who
> > > the
> > > killer is, contrary to your assertion below. I stand to benefit,
> like
> > so
> > >
> > > many
> > > other Ugandans from the facts as will be given by Dr. Obote when
> he
> > gets
> > >
> > > back
> > > to Uganda.
> > >
> > > And by the way, no amount of Intimidation by way of telling me
> that
> > I
> > > belong
> > > to
> > > the bush is going to change fact that I do not know who the killer
> is.
> > I
> > >
> > > will,
> > > like many others, continue asking. For it is a fact that people
> > were
> > > killed
> > > in
> > > Luwero and somebody is responsible. It is that person or persons
> > that
> > > some
> > > of
> > > us want to know. The kind of intimidation you are trying to
> employ
> > here
> > >
> > > used
> > > to come in handy in silencing people in 1980s but I don't think it
> > is
> > > effective
> > > today.
> > >
> > > Nice day.
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even you know who the killer is but will not admit it. Museveni
> is
> > > the
> > > > one responsible for all those death in Luwero. Propaganda to the
> > > > contrary simply defeats itself because it was Museveni who
> started
> > > an
> > > > unpopular war and trying to connect it to Buganda popular wishes
> > and
> > > > mistaken hatred for Obote( hatred that Obote is very smart
> > > intelligent
> > > > and convincing speaker) NRA would commit atrocities at night and
> > in
> > > the
> > > > morning turn up to commiserate with the hapless citizens.
> > > > That is briefly what has been going on.
> > > > Now that Obote's plan to come back back has become certain,
> > Museveni
> > ; > and
> > > > his supporters are exteremely worried of losing and semblance of
> > > > legality in office. They feel like the houseboy who took over
> the
> > > > master's bed room would feel on hearing of the master's return.
> > That
> > > is
> > > > your problem. I guess you already want to go back to the bush,
> > isn't
> > > > that so? That is where your type of people feel comfortable in.
> > > >
> > > > Onegi
> > > >
> > > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Since, according to UPC, Obote and his government are not
> > > responsible
> > > > for the
> > > > atrocities in Luwero and other parts of the country during his
> > > regime,
> > > > why
> > > > doesn't he come back and prove this before a cour t of law. His
> > > coming
> > > > back may
> > > > be an opportunity for him to tell all Ugandans, other than just
> > the
> > > UPC
> > > > members
> > > > who already seem to know, who exactly was responsible for the
> > deaths
> > > in
> > > > Luwero
> > > > and elsewhere in the country.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Matek Opoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
> > > > >
> > > > > THE Uganda People's Congress (UPC) has said information state
> > > > minister
> > > > > Nsaba Buturo, who was a Luweero district commissioner, knows
> the
> > > > people
> > > > > who massacred residents, reports Hillar y Kiirya.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking on phone, UPC's defacto leader, Hajji Badru Wegulo,
> > > > yesterday
> > > > > said, "I do not think Buturo believes in what he is saying
> other
> > > > than
> > > > > protecting the buttered side of the bread. He knows the people
> > who
> > > > threw
> > > > > the grenades and butchered people in Luweero and not Dr.
> Milton
> > > Obote
> > > > as
> > > > > he said. Obote is not a killer.
> > > > >
> > > > > "That was a very unfortunate statement though we expected it
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > government. We know they have sinister plans for the party
> > > > president.
> > > > > They thought his return was a simple thing b ut after knowing
> the
> > > > > public's opinion, they got scared and used this as the only
> way
> > of
> > > > > stopping him from coming back," Wegulo said.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was reacting to Buturo's warning on Luweero massacres in
> > which
> > > he
> > > > > said exiled former president Obote should answer for the
> > > atrocities.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wegulo said they were studying the situation before they come
> > out
> > > > openly
> > > > > on Obote's return.
> > > > > "This is a man whose father and mother were murdered by the
> > > > government.
> > > > > So when the government says such things about him, we have to
> be
> > > > very
> > > > > careful," Wegulo said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Published on: Saturday, 9th April, 2005
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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