Onegi,
this sort of questioning is very irksome, because it is devoid of any logic. Since Idi Amin lived for over 20 years after his escape, and he was never taken to court, can you then comfortably conclude that he had no case to answer ? What exactly is your logic, sir ?
Kasangwawo
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:56:49 GMT
Paul
Is there any paricular reason why Obote could not have been tried in a court of law up to this time? In case where he is going to be tried, should not he be presumed innocent until proven guilty, or has he already been tried and already found guilt by some private court you know of? You know there is a name for this kind of behavior even there was a case for Obote to answer, it is call miscarriage of justice. The case can bedimissed outright because of the sensasionalisation in the media.
Onegi Y
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Mw. Mulindwa,
Ssebirumbi, was charged and convicted with murder. Museveni on the other hand
has not been sued by anybody and convicted of murder. If he is ever charged,
convicted and not killed the same way Ssebirumbi was killed, I will join you in
cry out about the injustice.
As to whether killing somebody who has been proven to have killed another is
justified, I personally do not think it is right. But that is what the law
provides as of now. I can join you in advocating for the change of that law.
On the other hand, the likes of Ssebirumbi were even lucky that they got
somebody to listen to their side of the story. There are many who were not
allowed that privilege when the Ssebirumbis had the power to do so. They were
simply assumed guilty and killed.
Paul Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Paul Njoki > > So If Ssebirumbi killed the old and the infirm it justifies society to > kill > him as well? And the same society yet agrees Museveni to be its leader, > a > Museveni we all know has killed more people in Uganda than all previous > > leaders combined including the colonialists? > And you have no idea how sorry I am to have been born into that zoo, I > might > have turned out a better person. You really have no idea how sorry I > am. > > Em > Toronto > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC > > > Mr. Mulindwa, > To begin with, I have a name. If you had bothered to check at the end of > the > mail, you would have clearly seen my name and address. But for the > record, > I'm > Paul Njoki. > > All Ugandans are movementists indeed even after parties like U.P.C. > NRM-O, > CP > ect have registered and recruited members!! > > About Hajji Sebirumbi, a man who was sick. He should have thought about > that > at > the time he commited the crimes for which he was sentenced. I'm sure > among > the > people he was accused and convicted of killing or either the killing > were > the > sick and the old. > > And yes, in Mukono, the likes of Keffa Ssemapngi have defected. > > As for Uganda being a zoo, you are entaitled to your opinion. It is just > a > pity > you were also brought up in a zoo! > > Nice day > > PAUL NJOKI > > Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > First of all no one defects to movement because all Ugandans are > > Movementists. Isn't that the old school of thoughts? Secondly I have > > lived > > here long enough to know the American system of it is okay we will > take > > him > > to a trial then we will kill him. Third, how has Rwakasiisi's being > in > > jail > > this long changed Uganda for better? > > > > No wonder you have no name for it all makes sense to you including > the > > > > murdering of Haji Musa Ssebirumbi, a man who was clearly very sick > and > > > > disabled. > > > > Again I insist Uganda is a ZOO let us just learn to move on with out > it > > for > > this kind of reasoning just baffles me. > > > > Em > > Toronto > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC > > > > > > Mw. Mulindwa, > > One thing that we seem to agree on here is that we want Obote like > > anyone > > else > > who thinks it is not a "zoo" to get back to Uganda if they so with. > > The > > disagreement is the on whether or not there should be a blanket > amnesty. > > I > > say > > no amnesty to Dr. Obote or anybody else who may have been > responsible > > for > > any > > killings in Uganda. No one is about to drag any of them to prison > before > > a > > hearing. They will have to earn their places there if they can not > > defend > > themselves. > > > > Fortunately Dr. Obote is so popular that Mukono (Never mind the > > massive > > defection to the Mvnt there) has raised 25 cows for his welcome. Such > a > > > > person > > should not find it hard to get back and correct the wrong impression > > that > > has > > been created about him. > > > > Yes there some former Obote ministers in government and nothing has > been > > > > done > > about them, but lets also remind ourselves that there others like > > Rwakasisi > > who > > are in Luzira. Dr. Obote could just turn out to be like those who > are > > innocent > > enough to be appointed ministers in Museveni's regime. > > > > > > > > Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > And if Obote decides not to come back to Uganda? Then it is okay? > > What > > > > > > happened to critical thinking? So all ministers in that government > > who > > > are > > > in Uganda and some who are working in NRM all UNLA officers in > > Uganda > > > today > > > does not matter you just need Obote to tell you how he killed > > Ugandans > > > in > > > Luwero? No wonder NRM is starting to set terms of Obote's return > > because > > > > > > they are now knowing how Ugandans love Obote. > > > > > > And it is amazing that just last night I talked to a Ugandan at > > length > > > > > > regarding this return, and she said these words and I quote "No > > Obote > > > can > > > come back for we have tried our best to kill all UPCs so no > problem > > he > > > can > > > show up no one cares" end quote. Umm well Mukono only has so far > > raised > > > 25 > > > cows, what does that tell you about the man and about what > Ugandans > > feel > > > > > > about him?. > > > > > > Uganda is a ZOO indeed and Museveni is a zoo keeper, guys stay > there > > I > > > will > > > stay here. > > > > > > Em > > > Toronto > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC > > > > > > > > > Mr. Mulindwa, > > > It is a pity it took you a lot of trouble to get the real cause of > > > Kabaka's > > > death. He was dead and trying to get an answer from him would not > > have > > > been > > > very easy. > > > > > > In this case however, Dr. Obote is alive and can talk for himself, > > > fortunately > > > he is endowed with an abundant ability to convince even the > doubting > > > ones > > > like > > > me. He can surely get back to Uganda and convince us that it was > not > > him > > > but > > > President Museveni who was responsible for the killings in NOT > ONLY > > > Luwero > > > but > > > other parts of the country as well. > > > > > > Some of us would have been willing to listen to his side of the > > story > > > even > > > 20 > > > yrs ago. I'm sure, then just like now, he would get a judge and > > general > > > > > > public > > > to listen to his side of the story. He just wasn't there to give > it. > > Now > > > > > > that > > > he is going back to Uganda, why do you want to deny as the > > opportunity > > > to > > > listen to his side of the story? It is not just now that we are > > > getting > > > interested in it. As to why the Movement is interested in it now, > may > > be > > > the > > > answer can best be got from Mr. Opondo, the movement spokesperson. > > > > > > Mr. Mulindwa, would rather, that Dr. Obote comes back and no > > questions > > > are > > > asked and therefore all off us remain guessing who was responsible > > for > > > all > > > the > > > deaths during his regime? Some of us would like to set a > precedence > > that > > > > > > will > > > see even President Museveni held responsible for any wrongs > > committed > > > while > > > he > > > was in power. We will have to moral authority to demand for that > if > > we > > > > > > cannot > > > demand for it from Dr. Obote now. > > > > > > Nice day. > > > > > > Quoting Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been > > asked? > > > Did > > > > you > > > > really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? > And > > > why > > > > has > > > > The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I > > saw > > > The > > > > Paul > > > > Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The > > > Movement > > > > is > > > > the one to have every thing to hide? > > > > > > > > But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero > > and > > > we > > > > > > > > accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a > > Muganda > > > girl > > > > who > > > > was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's > postmortem > > > > report > > > > and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a > plain > > > > drunkard. > > > > And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his > death > > > > because > > > > it is some thing we must just believe. > > > > > > > > Uganda is truly a ZOO indeed > > > > > > > > Em > > > > Toronto > > > > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:14 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Onegi, > > > > Since the facts are there, and Dr. Obote is that intelligent and > > > with > > > > the > > > > ability to convince, why can't he just get back to Uganda and > > > convince > > > > the > > > > courts of law and Ugandans at large, that it was President > > Museveni > > > and > > > > not > > > > him > > > > who was responsible for all the deaths. Why is he denying > Ugandans > > > these > > > > > > > > facts? > > > > Anyway for your information Mr. Onegi, I'm one of those who do > not > > > know > > > > who > > > > the > > > > killer is, contrary to your assertion below. I stand to benefit, > > like > > > so > > > > > > > > many > > > > other Ugandans from the facts as will be given by Dr. Obote when > > he > > > gets > > > > > > > > back > > > > to Uganda. > > > > > > > > And by the way, no amount of Intimidation by way of telling me > > that > > > I > > > > belong > > > > to > > > > the bush is going to change fact that I do not know who the > killer > > is. > > > I > > > > > > > > will, > > > > like many others, continue asking. For it is a fact that people > > > were > > > > killed > > > > in > > > > Luwero and somebody is responsible. It is that person or persons > > > that > > > > some > > > > of > > > > us want to know. The kind of intimidation you are trying to > > employ > > > here > > > > > > > > used > > > > to come in handy in silencing people in 1980s but I don't think > it > > > is > > > > effective > > > > today. > > > > > > > > Nice day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even you know who the killer is but will not admit it. > Museveni > > is > > > > the > > > > > one responsible for all those death in Luwero. Propaganda to > the > > > > > contrary simply defeats itself because it was Museveni who > > started > > > > an > > > > > unpopular war and trying to connect it to Buganda popular > wishes > > > and > > > > > mistaken hatred for Obote( hatred that Obote is very smart > > > > intelligent > > > > > and convincing speaker) NRA would commit atrocities at night > and > > > in > > > > the > > > > > morning turn up to commiserate with the hapless citizens. > > > > > That is briefly what has been going on. > > > > > Now that Obote's plan to come back back has become certain, > > > Museveni > > > > and > > > > > his supporters are exteremely worried of losing and semblance > of > > > > > legality in office. They feel like the houseboy who took over > > the > > > > > master's bed room would feel on hearing of the master's > return. > > > That > > > > is > > > > > your problem. I guess you already want to go back to the bush, > > > isn't > > > > > that so? That is where your type of people feel comfortable > in. > > > > > > > > > > Onegi > > > > > > > > > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Since, according to UPC, Obote and his government are not > > > > responsible > > > > > for the > > > > > atrocities in Luwero and other parts of the country during his > > > > regime, > > > > > why > > > > > doesn't he come back and prove this before a court of law. His > > > > coming > > > > > back may > > > > > be an opportunity for him to tell all Ugandans, other than > just > > > the > > > > UPC > > > > > members > > > > > who already seem to know, who exactly was responsible for the > > > deaths > > > > in > > > > > Luwero > > > > > and elsewhere in the country. > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Matek Opoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC > > > > > > > > > > > > THE Uganda People's Congress (UPC) has said information > state > > > > > minister > > > > > > Nsaba Buturo, who was a Luweero district commissioner, knows > > the > > > > > people > > > > > > who massacred residents, reports Hillary Kiirya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking on phone, UPC's defacto leader, Hajji Badru Wegulo, > > > > > yesterday > > > > > > said, "I do not think Buturo believes in what he is saying > > other > > > > > than > > > > > > protecting the buttered side of the bread. He knows the > people > > > who > > > > > threw > > > > > > the grenades and butchered people in Luweero and not Dr. > > Milton > > > > Obote > > > > > as > > > > > > he said. Obote is not a killer. > > > > > > > > > > > > "That was a very unfortunate statement though we expected it > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > government. We know they have sinister plans for the party > > > > > president. > > > > > > They thought his return was a simple thing but after knowing > > the > > > > > > public's opinion, they got scared and used this as the only > > way > > > of > > > > > > stopping him from coming back," Wegulo said. > > > > > > > > > > > > He was reacting to Buturo's warning on Luweero massacres in > > > which > > > > he > > > > > > said exiled former president Obote should answer for the > > > > atrocities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wegulo said they were studying the situation before they > come > > > out > > > > > openly > > > > > > on Obote's return. > > > > > > "This is a man whose father and mother were murdered by the > > > > > government. > > > > > > So when the government says such things about him, we have > to > > be > > > > > very > > > > > > careful," Wegulo said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Published on: Saturday, 9th April, 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! 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