Bwana Mulindwa, You mixing up things too much.
All those who are interested in Uganda's history know how and why Lule was "Tempoararily" appointed President. You remember that he did not even go to Moshi but ended in Dar. The No Lule no work business was nothing but wanting to reap where you never sowed. All this being buries at Kololo is nothing but opportunism geared towards hoping to win over the central region. I am not sure that if he had not died when he did, he would have been allowed to become President by M-7. What intrigues me on your new angle is to say: "But we as society change them, we set the standard in which we need to be governed. The moment we do not set those standards, the self interest of the elites surpasses our rights and that is where Uganda is today." Are you by "society" referring to the Uganda peasantry ? If so how does this group of people change the educated elite ? Arenit you theorizing too much to expect uneducated and backward people sleeping in thatched huts on one meal a day to be critical thinkers capable of directing the elite on how to govern them ! This educated political elite who are endowed with state resources to bribe that same peasantry are at the same time backed by a military elite armed to the teeth ! Help me by being more "down to earth and practical" by telling us how we (Ugandan peasantry majority) are going to go about setting the standards for our political elite when you state: "But we as society change them, we set the standard in which we need to be governed. The moment we do not set those standards, the self interest of the elites surpasses our rights and that is where Uganda is today." Are thinking of armed struggle ???? May be. Nyende ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 03:54 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > Mwaami Nyende > > But all those elites will always be in self interest, does not matter what > nation. But we as society change them, we set the standard in which we need > to be governed. The moment we do not set those standards, the self interest > of the elites surpasses our rights and that is where Uganda is today. We are > not critical thinkers we do not have standards and any one can lead Uganda > to where ever he wants to. > Go back to 1979 and look at No Lule No work. Why did Ugandans love Lule? > What was so important that Lule had done or promised to do for Uganda? But > they called him a Professor too even if he was never a professor in his > life. Lule became on one side the only man to guide Ugandans, how would have > we set the standards of how he must lead us when we cried for him with out > even knowing his agenda? Because as much as I follow Uganda politics I do > not know what was Lule's principles. I do not. But the man joined the war > when it is almost over, he lead Uganda for 69 days, and today he is lying in > Kololo. > > So tell me if Obote dies today, God forbid, this is a man who got our > independence, is he going to be buried in middle of Kampala road? > > We have a nation whose politics is at stalemate, when any one tries to talk > bout it he goes to how terrible was 1966 and 1968, and we have sworn our > selves to never move on from that time. Look here I search for signs of > growth in Uganda to show me the future of this nation and I see none. Let us > agree that Obote was bad, but can you kindly tell me one educated that > Uganda has produced since 1971? For that is one of the standard to know a > better future coming. Most of those educated Ugandans, the Wakhweyas, The > Wanume Kibedis, the Olara otunus, on and on were all educated under obote > for he knew with out educating the masses we will be ignorant people. The > term a pearl of Africa was based on the educated Uganda was producing and > planning to produce. UPC is a pain to the butt today because it has educated > people. DP or KY do not. Tell me one leader who has come into power and does > not use UPC brain to form a government. Why? Citibank said that Uganda today > has the most bank fraud than even Nigeria. That used to read Uganda has the > best Makerere University. > > But that noncritical thinking came from way back, "Ayi Ssabasajja woligwa > nange wendigwa" What if Ssabasajja is wrong? > > But we as society change them, we set the standard in which we need > to be governed. The moment we do not set those standards, the self interest > of the elites surpasses our rights and that is where Uganda is today. > > It is not a nation it is a ZOO and we might as well cage it and the rest of > society moves on. > > Em > Toronto > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > > > > Bwana Mulindwa, > > > > I agree with most of your analysis especially regarding M-7's utterances > > which are extremely economical on the TRUTH. > > > > But on the inability of Ugandans to be critical thinkers, I think you are > > generalising too much. What I personally have observed to be the major > > problem with the political elite is SELF INTEREST. People deliberately > > refuse to "think" or think 'backwardly' and make utterances which make you > > wonder whether your ears served you well. Otherwise, can you explain to me > > how a person calling him/herself a "professor" can make some of the > > statements I've heard recently from our professors in M-7's regime in > > support of the 5th term (25 years in power) ? It is SELF INTEREST rather > > than inability to be analytical. > > > > But since you are in North America, can you help me by telling me how much > > this gorilla called Humvee costs (bullet-proof, TV, fridge, communication > > equipment, parachute, open roof for papachuting in case all fails, etc). > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 02:26 > > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > > > > > >> Mwaami Nyende > >> > >> The problem we must make public again and again is a simple fact that > >> Ugandans are not critical thinkers. Many times I have gone back into my > >> postings in these forums and wondered why every thing I predicted on > >> Museveni and movement have become true to the last data. You and I know > > that > >> it was even impossible to post any thing happening in Uganda on Ugandanet > >> because all Ugandans here were praising Museveni as a good leader, a man > > who > >> has done absolutely nothing good for our nation. Museveni was a disaster > >> from day one and he had all the writing on the wall. From how he > >> conducted > >> his war in Luwero to how he became a president. Museveni addressed us in > >> Nairobi and he categorically stated that he is fighting but he does not > > want > >> to lead Uganda. Ugandans believed him, but I did not for I knew the man > > from > >> way back. > >> > >> Why are we today in 2005 surprised that he is wasting public funds? when > > has > >> he ever been responsible to Uganda's funds? > >> > >> Em > >> Toronto > >> > >> The Mulindwas Communication Group > >> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > >> Groupe de communication Mulindwas > >> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:53 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > >> > >> > >> > Bwana Mulindwa, > >> > > >> > The issues you are raising are irrelevant to my concerns. I doubt > > whether > >> > you supported EVERYTHING the individuals in that 'elected government' > > were > >> > doing especially as they did not consult you (their supporter) on every > >> > act > >> > of theirs. And I further doubt whwther everything they did was on > >> > behalf > >> > of > >> > the people. While, for instance, the British still wanted Blair (by > >> > re-electing him), they , however, disapproved his Iraq adventurism: If > >> > only > >> > he had asked them, they would have certainly said NO. > >> > > >> > I can understand your frustrations especially with respect to living > >> > out > >> > for > >> > nearly 20 years (?) but you should not overplay it because many of us > > have > >> > been there before you for roughly the same period but at different > >> > times > >> > and > >> > for the > >> > same reasons as yours (forced exile) although not necessarily from your > >> > 'elected > >> > government'. All the happenings you are citing about the behaviour of > > the > >> > youg people, we have seen it all but those involved during our time > >> > were > >> > mainly apartheid refugee patriots from South Africa, Namibia and > > Zimbabwe, > >> > who, like Ugandans, were people. > >> > > >> > I hope you will not turn this dialogue into an unendless one by raising > >> > irrelevant arguments, which you are > >> > normally wont to. > >> > > >> > Nyende > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > >> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 05:01 > >> > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > >> > > >> > > >> >> David Nyende > >> >> > >> >> Did you allow Museveni to come to power? Museveni went to the bush and > >> >> attacked an elected government, you stood up and supported him. Shovel > >> >> it. > >> >> There are reasons why we take a hard look on issues in our nation, I > > want > >> >> you to show me where you opposed when this man was fighting an elected > >> >> government. Did you oppose him when he attacked The Bank of Uganda in > >> >> Kabaale? Did you oppose him when he bombed an ambulance with a patient > > in > >> >> Mubende? You supported this man because you agreed that the elections > >> >> were > >> >> rigged, yet to today you or any of your followers have not told us who > >> >> won > >> >> that election. > >> >> > >> >> Bottom line Uganda is a personal property of Museveni, and any one who > >> >> expects him to do better than this is naive, he is actually even doing > >> >> better than I expected. Mwe mugende muwumule kasita mwebaka. > >> >> > >> >> Baffles how it takes the idiots 20 years to know how their nation is > >> > fucked > >> >> up, now wait for the long term effects of this leadership you will > >> >> see. > >> >> Look I have been abroad now for almost 20 years, but I have never seen > >> > such > >> >> a crime from immigrants from Uganda. Toronto as we speak has a kid who > >> >> killed a Canadian, a kid, he is in jail, London a kid again killed > > her > >> >> mother and left her in house for 3 days with out telling any one. He > > was > >> >> cooking food and eating and sleeping in the same house for 3 firkin > > days. > >> >> and told no one. In states , a woman went to an immigration office and > >> > told > >> >> them that she lied to her immigration officer when she was coming to > > the > >> >> states. They deported her including every person who came with her, > > this > >> >> included 6 of his now grown up kids and their families, because she > >> >> was > >> >> at > >> >> bottom of immigration tree. > >> >> > >> >> Those are the future Ugandans. Just watch out you will see how it > >> >> plays > >> >> after 10 years from today. > >> >> > >> >> Em > >> >> Toronto > >> >> The Mulindwas Communication Group > >> >> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > >> >> Groupe de communication Mulindwas > >> >> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:30 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thereafter, on Sunday, we learnt about the giving to Mr. Kazibwe > > (yes, > >> > the > >> >> > husband to former 50-plus-year old VP on whom ca. $1m is being > > waisted > >> > for > >> >> > Ph.D) a Business Cluss Air Ticket to London to attend a son's > >> >> > graduation > >> >> > party. Ugandans with graduation parties ! > >> >> > > >> >> > Sometimes the annoyance by someone treating the Nation's funds as if > >> > they > >> >> > were personal is so much that you wish you could drown these fellas > > in > >> >> > Lake > >> >> > Vic ! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "Ugandanet" <[email protected]> > >> >> > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 01:00 > >> >> > Subject: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Have You Heard > >> >> >> With Timothy Bukumunhe > >> >> >> New Vision, Saturday May 7, 2005 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The Chief, President Yoweri Museveni, recently ditched his Range > > Rover > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> has been cruising tawo in a black Lexus 4x4. Now sources tell us > > that > >> > in > >> >> > the > >> >> >> run-up to the 2006 elections, Museveni is set to acquire three new > >> >> >> stste-of-the-art cars. The chosen car ? The Humvee, which will > >> >> >> fully > >> >> >> upgraded to meet his demands and security requirements. A senior > >> > official > >> >> >> from the Presidential Guard Brigade was recently dispatched to USA > > to > >> >> >> give > >> >> >> the cars the once over. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Ugandanet mailing list > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > >> >> >> % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Ugandanet mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > >> >> > % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM > >> >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ugandanet mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
