Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:04:28 -0700

Simon Nume
 
You seem to be a reasoning man, can you actually tell us when obote made that statement? For we all know it was stated by Ibingira, but can you kindly tell us when Obote made that statement?
 
It amazes me how a person like you who has even got an ability to get out of Uganda still believe in statements we must take for granted. It really does.
 
Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147

Mr Wambuga
 
It is way, way too late to attribute these sayings to Grace Ibingira.
 
WHY did Obote never refute them all these years? Did he never hear them or was it not worthwhile THEN ?
 
Nume

B Wambuga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Netters, These "infamous words" were uttered by none other than himself Mr. Grace Ibingira at a rally in Buganda in 1965 when he was already campaining to belittle Milton.
The context of the whole thing was about where the Baganda should stand on the issue of the future of Uganda in the light of the imminent conflict between Uganda Government and Buganda Kingdom. In fact Mr. Ibingira being a UPC at the time knew what he was saying when he made such an utterance. He was infact threatening the Baganda ironically. He was talking to the people from the lost counties when he was justifying the reason for the refferendum which had just recently been concluded a couple of years before.
Being a UPC at the time some of the Baganda who heard the utterance attributed it to Apollo Milton Obote. you know people have the tendency of attributing things said by a member of any organization to the leadership, especially if it befits their attempts to propagate misleading political games, or wedge dubious interjections into "political myths". This is the only statement that suppossedly was made by a man like Obote of all the things he said over all these years!!. I mean how could any politician survive by just "one statement" and beat all odds. Would one expect dictator Museveni survive just because of his REAL statement about the "Northern Biological Substance". This is very simplistic, serious as it is.
In case you need any reference to this speech, I send you to the US Library of Congress reports on the 1966 Crisis and the build up to the UPC Annual Delegates Confefernce in Gulu, and the emergence of the 1967 Constitution.
I think in the interest of political sanity, it is time this issue should be put to rest once and for all.
Again these were NOT Apollo Milton Obote's words. They were Grace Ibingira's. But for reasons best known to those who are just trying to find words to attack Obote person, they hold on to the quotation.
But remember, no promonent Ugandan politician refers to those words because they know the source of the utterance, and do not wish to be associated with them if dragged to the court of Law.
I rest my case. Aluta continua!
 
Bwambuga.
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ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Akena,

I like this:
">Nze
>
>Akena, mwana wa
>Obote, mwana wa
>Opeto, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Engena, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Ocure, mwana wa
>Oakityena, mwana wa
>Wonruku, mwana wa Okwangiro"

Your friend Mulindwa hate to see you giving your identity like this. Why?
because he is hiding. We've asked him to do so more than 20 times but he
always keeps mumm.

2. one or two years ago, you and I argued for a truth and reconciliation
Commission. Apart from you, the rest of UPC members on this net rejected it.
Dont you realise that you're an island ( Pemba) in a big ocean ( Indian
Ocean) ?

J. Ssenyange
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>From: "jakena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:33:52 -0700
>
>I maintain that Obote never said such a thing. The most appropriate course
>of action is for you and those who insist that Obote ever uttered such to
>prove it, but what seems to be the norm is somebody comes up with something
>which is propagated all over the place and the accused is left to prove
>their innocence. UPC has come up with a better suggestion in that we should
>have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission where all such matters should be
>addressed. If you are not prepared to bring it up, let me assure it is in
>my best interests to see this highly publicised lie is shown for what it
>really is, a blatant lie created to denigrate Obote and to mobilise the
>Baganda against Obote and the UPC. Reading between the lines of your
>posting you have come to realisation that Baganda have been duped but at
>the same time our brother Ssemakula would like to propagate the writings of
>Ibingira as the gospel truth without seriously analysing his motives,
>self-interests and purpose because it serves Ssemakula's over-riding
>interests of 'hating' and promoting 'hatred' of Obote.
>
>Nze
>
>Akena, mwana wa
>Obote, mwana wa
>Opeto, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Engena, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Ocure, mwana wa
>Oakityena, mwana wa
>Wonruku, mwana wa Okwangiro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Nume
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>
>
> Akena
>
> Much as he may be regretting it, Obote DID say such a thing.
>
> He said this during Obote 1. Infact at one point it was be ing echoed by
>all his goons in Kampala, who incidentally had all the top posts and owned
>the same houses in Kololo and Nakasero now occupied by the 'long noses'
>
> During Obote 2 - Obote' goons used to joke about the wails of the
>Baganda who were always attacked , raped and murdered DAILY in their
>houses in Kampala and surburbs, late at night, while Obote's goons were
>looking for M7 and other 'aduyi's' . They used to joke that 'omuganda
>agamba twala bintu, leka bulamu, ha ha ha '
> They were again living in the same Kololo, Nakasero houses which had
>just been vacated by Amin's goons.
>
> The Baganda know what happened to them and how it happened, and believe
>me they have learnt a thing or two about survival.
>
> Nothing much changes in Uganda.
>
> Nume
>
>
>
> What goes round comes back
>
> jakena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
& amp; gt; Obote never said any such thing.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>
>
> HELLO. Owekitibwa , Don,t forget want Dr Obote said ...that Agood
>muganda is the dead one. So you shouldwork hard with The Buganda
>kingdom,and leave the politics alone....Agobba ebili... talirra. J.M.M.A.
>
>
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