From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:49:51 -0400
Simon Nume
You seem to be a reasoning man, can you actually tell us when obote made
that statement? For we all know it was stated by Ibingira, but can you
kindly tell us when Obote made that statement?
It amazes me how a person like you who has even got an ability to get out
of Uganda still believe in statements we must take for granted. It really
does.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
Mr Wambuga
It is way, way too late to attribute these sayings to Grace Ibingira.
WHY did Obote never refute them all these years? Did he never hear them
or was it not worthwhile THEN ?
Nume
B Wambuga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Netters, These "infamous words" were uttered by none other than
himself Mr. Grace Ibingira at a rally in Buganda in 1965 when he was
already campaining to belittle Milton.
The context of the whole thing was about where the Baganda should
stand on the issue of the future of Uganda in the light of the imminent
conflict between Uganda Government and Buganda Kingdom. In fact Mr.
Ibingira being a UPC at the time knew what he was saying when he made such
an utterance. He was infact threatening the Baganda ironically. He was
talking to the people from the lost counties when he was justifying the
reason for the refferendum which had just recently been concluded a couple
of years before.
Being a UPC at the time some of the Baganda who heard the utterance
attributed it to Apollo Milton Obote. you know people have the tendency of
attributing things said by a member of any organization to the leadership,
especially if it befits their attempts to propagate misleading political
games, or wedge dubious interjections into "political myths". This is the
only statement that suppossedly was made by a man like Obote of all the
things he said over all these years!!. I mean how could any politician
survive by just "one statement" and beat all odds. Would one expect
dictator Museveni survive just because of his REAL statement about the
"Northern Biological Substance". This is very simplistic, serious as it is.
In case you need any reference to this speech, I send you to the US
Library of Congress reports on the 1966 Crisis and the build up to the UPC
Annual Delegates Confefernce in Gulu, and the emergence of the 1967
Constitution.
I think in the interest of political sanity, it is time this issue
should be put to rest once and for all.
Again these were NOT Apollo Milton Obote's words. They were Grace
Ibingira's. But for reasons best known to those who are just trying to find
words to attack Obote person, they hold on to the quotation.
But remember, no promonent Ugandan politician refers to those words
because they know the source of the utterance, and do not wish to be
associated with them if dragged to the court of Law.
I rest my case. Aluta continua!
Bwambuga.
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ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Akena,
I like this:
">Nze
>
>Akena, mwana wa
>Obote, mwana wa
>Opeto, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Engena, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Ocure, mwana wa
>Oakityena, mwana wa
>Wonruku, mwana wa Okwangiro"
Your friend Mulindwa hate to see you giving your identity like this.
Why?
because he is hiding. We've asked him to do so more than 20 times
but he
always keeps mumm.
2. one or two years ago, you and I argued for a truth and
reconciliation
Commission. Apart from you, the rest of UPC members on this net
rejected it.
Dont you realise that you're an island ( Pemba) in a big ocean (
Indian
Ocean) ?
J. Ssenyange
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>From: "jakena"
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:33:52 -0700
>
>I maintain that Obote never said such a thing. The most appropriate
course
>of action is for you and those who insist that Obote ever uttered
such to
>prove it, but what seems to be the norm is somebody comes up with
something
>which is propagated all over the place and the accused is left to
prove
>their innocence. UPC has come up with a better suggestion in that
we should
>have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission where all such matters
should be
>addressed. If you are not prepared to bring it up, let me assure it
is in
>my best interests to see this highly publicised lie is shown for
what it
>really is, a blatant lie created to denigrate Obote and to mobilise
the
>Baganda against Obote and the UPC. Reading between the lines of
your
>posting you have come to realisation that Baganda have been duped
but at
>the same time our brother Ssemakula would like to propagate the
writings of
>Ibingira as the gospel truth without seriously analysing his
motives,
>self-interests and purpose because it serves Ssemakula's
over-riding
>interests of 'hating' and promoting 'hatred' of Obote.
>
>Nze
>
>Akena, mwana wa
>Obote, mwana wa
>Opeto, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Engena, mwana wa
>Akaki, mwana wa
>Ocure, mwana wa
>Oakityena, mwana wa
>Wonruku, mwana wa Okwangiro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Nume
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>
>
> Akena
>
> Much as he may be regretting it, Obote DID say such a thing.
>
> He said this during Obote 1. Infact at one point it was be ing
echoed by
>all his goons in Kampala, who incidentally had all the top posts
and owned
>the same houses in Kololo and Nakasero now occupied by the 'long
noses'
>
> During Obote 2 - Obote' goons used to joke about the wails of the
>Baganda who were always attacked , raped and murdered DAILY in
their
>houses in Kampala and surburbs, late at night, while Obote's goons
were
>looking for M7 and other 'aduyi's' . They used to joke that
'omuganda
>agamba twala bintu, leka bulamu, ha ha ha '
> They were again living in the same Kololo, Nakasero houses which
had
>just been vacated by Amin's goons.
>
> The Baganda know what happened to them and how it happened, and
believe
>me they have learnt a thing or two about survival.
>
> Nothing much changes in Uganda.
>
> Nume
>
>
>
> What goes round comes back
>
> jakena wrote:
& amp; gt; Obote never said any such thing.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 147
>
>
> HELLO. Owekitibwa , Don,t forget want Dr Obote said ...that Agood
>muganda is the dead one. So you shouldwork hard with The Buganda
>kingdom,and leave the politics alone....Agobba ebili... talirra.
J.M.M.A.
>
>
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