I have been told so by better Imbeciles. May be it is high time you now addressed the real issues in my article. They included Argentina house and Liverpool as a method of torture during Obotes regime. Im saying they were just as bad if not worse that what we are seeing today.
Quoting Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > wallow in your imbecility. > Kipenji > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Owor Kipenji, > It is a simple issue of technology here. > > Simple issues call for simple solutions. And the simple solution is that > you > copy your document, paste it in Ms. Word and use the "Find" option > under "edit". When a small window comes, type in "Paul". You will be > able to > see my names and adress appearing twice on the very mail you posted here > below. > > Quoting Owor Kipenji : > > > Why on earth would it be my prerogative to threaten a guy/fella like > > you > > who is already threatened by his/her own shadow? > > If you were not,you would no be hidding your true nature under > > alpha-numeric > > symbols.What by the way is scaring you?.Are you ashamed of your > being? > > I will from now desist from having discourse with bonafide cowards > like > > you and > > your ilk who think they can only state what they believe by > disguising > > themselves. > > Lastly what the religious leaders I quoted stated is not just an > opinion > > as you want > > to wallow in.It is a statement of fact!. > > Take it or leave it!. > > All the best most excellent masquarede. > > Kipenji > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Owor Kipenji, > > Which part of my comments were imbecile? If the part about the UPC > human > > rights > > record is what call imbecile, you may wish to compare the safe > houses > > today to > > Argentina house and Liverpool which, being the passionate UPC fellow > you > > seem > > to be, I'm sure you knew of their existence and even the location. > The > > > > suffering of the people in the north is very similar to the suffering > of > > the > > people in Luwero during Obote's regime. Just as you are condemning > the > > > > suffering in the north today, you should have condemned the > sufferings > > in > > Luwero then. I have searched the records for any condemnations you > made > > about > > the suffering in Luwero then, but I'm yet to get any. The suffering > of > > the > > people in the North like I said before, should be a national > concern. > > And may > > be the first step to ending it is accepting the existence of Kony. > Do > > you > > sincerely believe that the Aboke girls who among other people were > > abducted and > > held captives in Sudan were taken by an imaginary Kony. They have > given > > > > testimonies to the effect that where they were, there was somebody > > called Kony. > > > > As for the cardinal, other church leaders and others from central > and > > southern > > regions shedding crocodile tears, you are entitled to your opinion. > It > > may not > > be right but it is your opinion. Incidentally, I do not come from any > of > > those > > regions but even were I come from, people were picked by Obote's > > soldiers and > > have never been seen again. > > > > Remember the words > > > of the late Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga and Miseari Kauwumaon the > > > pulpits > > of Central Uganda?.At last they are now sleeping soundly! . > > > > If this was supposed to be a threat of any nature, take it that it > has > > not > > worked on me. > > > > Nice weekend. > > > > > > > > Quoting Owor Kipenji : > > > > > Fella whoever masquarade you are,stop stooping too low with > > > such imbecile comments. > > > There is no such a thing as to who has the moral authority or not > > > to comment on the suffering of the people in Acholi and the > greater > > > Northern Ugandan.If I may use your own words,the only people who > > > suffer the chronic deficiency to shed crocodile tears for the > > > sufferings > > > there are those from Central and Southern Uganda.Remember the > words > > > of the late Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga and Miseari Kauwumaon the > > > pulpits > > > of Central Uganda?.At last they are now sleeping soundly!.The > > massive > > > support > > > to date that Mu7 still has in Central Uganda is further testimony > to > > the > > > glee that > > > people of your type have about the suffering in Acholi et > > > Northern/Eastern Uganda. > > > So whoever you are,enjoy your peace as it lasts and desist from > > > pontificating about > > > what UPC can and cannot do. > > > Stick with your recycled and stale statements:"Kasita Ffe Twebaka > > > Otulo!". > > > Remember the midnight thief is not sparing to have his harvest in > > the > > > thousands. > > > Kipenji > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The suffering of the people in the north has been and remains a > > National > > > > > > problem. Protection of the citizens of Uganda and their property > is > > one > > > of the > > > cardinal objectives for the existence of any government in Uganda. > > The > > > > > > suffering of the people in the north is therefore not just an > Acholi > > > problem > > > than should be left to the Acholis to capture Kony and hand him > over > > to > > > > > > government. > > > > > > However UPC as a party and its individual members, does/do not > have > > any > > > moral > > > authority to condemn the human rights abuses by both the > government > > and > > > by Kony > > > because their records were not any better that what we are > > experiencing > > > today. > > > > > > Quoting Edward Mulindwa : > > > > > > > Bwambuga > > > > > > > > On all we have seen in this war, is there some one called Konny > > > fighting > > > > > > > > Uganda government? > > > > Please educate me. > > > > > > > > Em > > > > Toronto > > > > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:59 AM > > > > Subject: [Ugnet] Re: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bull-Mavi.....belongs to Mr. Kony and the EMPIRE OF CHOOLIS > who > > > dont > > > > get > > > > > it.., killings and cutting lips is done by Kony and Achooli > > > helpers > > > > but > > > > > not ..M7. So its very simple...give-up KONY..THE WAR IS DONE. > > > > CWA.JB > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Date: Friday, July 1, 2005 1:09 pm > > > > > Subject: Ugandanet Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 > > > > > > > > > >> Send Ugandanet mailing list submissions to > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > > > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > > specific > > > > >> than "Re: Contents of Ugandanet digest..." > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Today's Topics: > > > > >> > > > > >> 1. RE: Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s suffering..by > > > > >> Yoweri Museveni..brief comment by Matek (Okuto del Coli) > > > > >> 2. AND UGANDANS CONTINUE TO PRAY (Edward Mulindwa) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> --- > > > > >> > > > > >> Message: 1 > > > > >> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:17:45 -0400 (EDT) > > > > >> From: "Okuto del Coli" > > > > >> Subject: RE: [Ugnet] Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s > > > > >> suffering..by Yoweri Museveni..brief comment by Matek > > > > >> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> The way I understand it, there are some specifically targeted > > > > >> projectiles. Although the President uses "Acoli", the piece > > > > >> appears intended for all Ugandan tribes and indeed, fits all > > > > >> Ugandan tribes. If you slice off the "ACHOLI" and replace it > > with > > > > >> any other Ugandan tribes of your own( including Baganda) you > > will > > > > >> see that the puzzle matches. Even the Kayiira tragedy falls > in > > > > >> there. I beg to resume in a couple of days with > > > > >> illustrations.RGDSNoc'l--- On Tue 06/28, Matek Opoko < > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: Matek Opoko [mailto: > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [email protected], > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:25:28 > -0700 > > > > >> (PDT)Subject: [Ugnet] =?iso-8859- > > > > >> 1?q?Tracing_the_roots_of_the_Acholi_people=92?= =?iso-8859- > > > > >> 1?q?s_suffering=2E=2Eby_Yoweri_Museveni=2E=2Ebrief_comm?= > > =?iso- > > > > >> 8859-1?q?ent_by_Matek?= > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Fellow Citizens: > > > > >> Sometimes I am simply left with a sense of disbelieve when I > > read > > > > >> and try to comprehend Museveni's Bull Mavi... So Museveni > > really > > > > >> thinks this his stupid crap of is going to sell? The fellow > is > > > > >> simply a deranged idiot who does not know what he is talking > > > > >> about...I hear Acholi suffering is due to " colonial > > > > >> Manipulations".."Afro-Arab Conflict in Southern Sudan" Lack > of > > > > >> eductation leading to mysticism." ...etc..etc.. The fact of > the > > > > >> matter fellow citizens , is that Museveni createdthe mess in > > > > >> Northern and Eastern Uganda..and he is yet to pay for > this.... > > > > >> when his bold becomes dek Quiddy!!! > > > > >> matek > > > > >> Tracing the roots of the Acholi people?s suffering > > > > >> > > > > >> Yoweri K. Museveni > > > > >> > > > > >> GULU > > > > >> The suffering of our people in Acholi, in particular, as well > > as > > > > >> part of the North-Central part of Uganda in general, has been > > > > >> occasioned by six factors: colonial manipulation and > > distortions; > > > > >> poor leadership; a weak state; bad national politics; the > Afro- > > > > >> Arab conflict in the Sudan; and lack of education leading to > > > > >> mysticism.When the British were colonizing Uganda, they used > > the > > > > >> method of playing one group against another (divide and > rule). > > > > >> Fearing the strength of the Buganda they had expanded at the > > > > >> expense of Bunyoro, in particular, as well as other parts of > > > > >> Uganda in general, they started a new scheme of using parts > of > > > the > > > > >> North against our people in Buganda. They, then, started > > peddling > > > > >> certain myths and lies to play one group of our people > against > > > > >> another. For instance, the Baganda were very "clever" people. > > > They > > > > >> were not like other natives of Uganda. On the other hand, the > > > > >> Northerners, the Acholis in particular, were "a martial race" > > > > >> whose natural ins tincts were skewed > > > > >> > > > > >> towards war-like activities. Those lies and distortions went > to > > > > >> the heads of whatever leadership was available at that time > > > which, > > > > >> in turn, amplified and spread them to the rest of the > > > > >> population.Clear thinking leaders should never have > > countenanced > > > > >> such trash. It should have been treated with disdain they > > > deserved > > > > >> before it led our people to all these sufferings: the 1966 > coup > > > by > > > > >> Obote against the Constitution; Amin's 1971 coup and the > > > > >> hemorrhage that went with it; the missed chance of 1979/1980; > > the > > > > >> massacres in Luwero (the philosophy of "a good Muganda is a > > dead > > > > >> one"); and the demonic madness of Kony, his collaborators and > > > > >> apologists.Poor leadershipJuxtaposed side by side with the > > > problem > > > > >> of colonial distortions and manipulation is the problem of > poor > > > > >> leadership in Acholi. Like many other areas of Uganda, our > > Acholi > > > > >> people lacked leaders from within the community to tell, in > > very > > > > >> clear language, the trouble makers to go to hell.Buganda, and > > > > >> other parts of Uganda, for a long time, had the same problem: > - > > > > >> nobody within the respective communities to tell off the > > trouble- > > > > >> makers and parasites. My personal experiences highlight this > > > issue > > > > >> in two instances: the onset of Idi Amin in 1971 and the > problem > > > of > > > > >> Obugabe (Kingship in Ankole). Virtually all the citizens of > > North > > > > >> Ankole had been DP supporters. They, therefore, jubilated > when > > > > >> Obote was overthrown by Amin. Their simple but erroneous > > > reasoning > > > > >> was as follows: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." I told > > off > > > > >> all my confused compatriots, relatives, friends or previous > > > > >> collaborators. I could not support an uneducated person to be > > the > > > > >> President of Uganda for any > > > > >> > > > > >> length of time; moreover, a person that was known to be a > > killer. > > > > >> I never aided or abetted Amin for even one day. In so doing I > > > > >> provided uncompromising leadership against evil, against my > > very > > > > >> relatives, friends and close collaborators. More recently, > > there > > > > >> was the divisive issue of Obugabe (Kingship) in Ankole. I > made > > it > > > > >> very clear that either Omugabe was accepted by all sections > or > > we > > > > >> would allow no Mugabe. That type of leadership has been > lacking > > > in > > > > >> Acholi, except for some few individuals from this area. How > > could > > > > >> leaders accept rape of children, murders, mutilations, > > > > >> disfigurements, etc? By not condemning loudly the terrorists, > > > many > > > > >> Acholi leaders were encouraging the wrong-doers. In fact, > they > > > > >> would say: "let us kill civilians and Government would be > > > blamed". > > > > >> Indeed, it would happen - the Government would be condemned > and > > > > >> the killers would either be pampered or covered up. How many > > > times > > > > >> did we hear the statements li ke: "It is the Government > killing > > > > >> Acholis and blaming > > > > >> it on the rebels"? > > > > >> Weak state The third factor was a weak state, especially the > > > > >> phenomenon of a one-dimensional national defence force. > Modern > > > > >> Armies are, at least, three-dimensional. A three-dimensional > > > > >> defence force covers land, sea (lakes) and air - i.e. Army, > > > > >> Airforce and navy. Owing to the turbulent history of Uganda, > > the > > > > >> building of a three dimensional National Defence force was > > never > > > > >> achieved. It is only recently that we are tackling this > > problem. > > > > >> By 1986 we had a very dedicated land force (infantry mainly). > > It > > > > >> was not, however, possible to quickly resolve the terrorism > put > > > > >> out by Kony, supported by certain external forces, only > relying > > > on > > > > >> this force alone. That is why the struggle had to be > > protracted. > > > > >> We are now, finally, solving that problem of a > uni-dimensional > > > > >> national defence force. That is how we have been able to > break > > > the > > > > >> back of the terrorists. We are continuing to build the three > > > > >> dimensions of our national defence forces. I can assure Ug > > andans > > > > >> that, henceforth, it will not be > > > > >> > > > > >> possible for any force to destabilise our democracy using > > force. > > > > >> We have the capacity to deal with them promptly unlike in the > > > past > > > > >> when we had to engage in this valiant but protracted campaign > > > > >> against the terrorists. Those in the habit of threatening > > > violence > > > > >> had better restrain themselves. The fact that UPDF has been > > able > > > > >> not only to cope with the Kony group but to also suppress it, > > is > > > a > > > > >> factor that should give Ugandans peace of mind regarding > their > > > > >> democratic future. We are now going to focus more on > corruption > > > in > > > > >> relation to State funds, contracts, fair adjudication and > abuse > > > of > > > > >> office.Bad politicsThe undoing of Uganda right from the days > of > > > > >> colonialism was the problem of bad politics. Bad politics > means > > > > >> politics that is devoid of principles that are designed to > > uplift > > > > >> the people of Uganda out of their backwardness. It is > politics > > > > >> that is, instead, aimed at, using the Ugandan people's lack > of > > > > >> information to use them for personal interests to access jobs > > or > > > > >> resources. It is politics without vision for transformation. > It > > > is > > > > >> parasitic politics. The bad politics of Uganda, in > particular, > > > has > > > > >> been characterized by two elements: lack of belief in > > democratic > > > > >> solutions and sectarianism. Why has Kony been killing people? > > If > > > > >> he wanted power, ever since1989, when we expanded the NRC, we > > > have > > > > >> been having elections. Why couldn't he stand for any post? > See > > > how > > > > >> we are resolving all outstanding issues: opening the > political > > > > >> space, regional tier, term limits for President, etc. We > refer > > > the > > > > >> issues to the referenda, Parliament, etc. Wh y should there > be > > > > >> violence? Anybody who > > > > >> > > > > >> continues to believe or talk of violence, when there are > > > > >> democratic options is an enemy of the people and a criminal. > > The > > > > >> other element of bad politics is sectarianism, based on > tribes, > > > > >> religion, etc. This is why Obote did not act against Amin > even > > > the > > > > >> British Governor-General gave him the evidence of all the > > crimes > > > > >> he had committed. At that time 1962, there was still the > false > > > > >> groupism of the Northern Region vs the other regions of > Uganda. > > > > >> The consequences were very bitter for Uganda. "Whatever a man > > > sows > > > > >> is what he reaps." My stand on such issues is very clear. In > > > 1989, > > > > >> I dismissed my own brother, Saleh, from the Army for > > drunkenness. > > > > >> Yet, very few people in Uganda could compare with Saleh in > > > > >> contributing to our struggle. He had, however, lost bearing. > I > > > had > > > > >> to act. I was, therefore, happy to hear that Rwot Acana > > > > >> reprimanded the terrorists when he met them near Palabek. > That > > is > > > > >> part of the medicine. > > > > >> Afro-Arab conflictThe Afro-Arab conflict in the Sudan is one > of > > > > >> the greatest indignities to the black people. Sudan should be > a > > > > >> great Afro-Arab bridge, where the heritages of the two > > different > > > > >> races are accorded equal treatment. Instead, some elements in > > > > >> Sudan tried to turn it into an Arab bridge-head into Black > > Africa > > > - > > > > >> to convey Arabism and enforced Islamisation into the > heartland > > of > > > > >> Black Africa. The Black people there, our brothers, waged a > > > > >> protracted and lonely struggle for their salvation ever since > > > > >> 1955. When we came into Government in 1986, for some unknown > > > > >> reasons, the Sudanese Arabs decided to attack us, without any > > > > >> provocation, on the 22nd of August, 1986, at Bibia. Our > > Battalion > > > > >> 28 defeated this attack decisively. However, the attackers, > > > > >> spurred on by Sudan fanned out and spread the terror to the > > > > >> countryside.The mistake by the Arabs of Sudan of interfering > in > > > > >> our internal affairs caused us to give strong support to the > > > SPLA. > > > > >> As a consequence, the SPLA took over > > > > >> 90% of Southern Sudan, a land area that is three times the > size > > > of > > > > >> Uganda. Some other Governments in Africa also extended > material > > > > >> support to the SPLA off and on. The SPLA has, eventually, > > signed > > > a > > > > >> very good agreement with the Sudan Government, thereby > > liberating > > > > >> the people of Southern Sudan. The Sudanese Arabs, by > supporting > > > > >> Lakwena and Kony, created a lot of problems for us, but they > > also > > > > >> created a lot of problems for themselves and a hope of > freedom > > > for > > > > >> our Black brothers in Southern Sudan. Having realized the > > > futility > > > > >> and counter productiveness of their support for Kony, the > > > Sudanese > > > > >> Arabs, starting with 2002, agreed to end support for Kony. > Some > > > > >> clandestine support for Kony continued until about one year > > ago. > > > > >> Without Sudan supporting Lakwena, Kony, and others, there > would > > > > >> have been no terrorism in Northern Uganda, in West Nile, in > the > > > > >> Rwenzori region, etc. However, possibly, there would not have > > > been > > > > >> the liberation of Southern Sudan either. Should we conclude > > that > > > > >> God > > > > >> works in mysterious ways? > > > > >> Lack of Education There seems to be a lot of superstition in > > > > >> Acholi that can be manipulated by the crooks like Kony. This > is > > > an > > > > >> unfortunate result of limited education. The Movement has > > > > >> introduced Universal Education in the form of UPE. We have > > built > > > > >> Gulu University, etc. We shall get rid of illiteracy. > However, > > > the > > > > >> Acholi leaders and religious leaders must help us with the > > === message truncated === > > --------------------------------- > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for > FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! 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