, Gauuu!
You sent me cracking my ribs brother. What a cacophony!
No you misunderstood me, and yes you are way out of touch with the causes of
African pandemic corruption.
Since when have I opined for "vandalism" or "liquidation" of "opponents"?? I
was just narrowing your johnny come lately "pan-africanism" worldview to Uganda
only, our home country, to exampled the nativity in you, in refusing to see the
problems glaringly facing you at home! After all what motivated you to come
wearing somekind of pan-African attire today was your encounter with one
Ugandan, not an un Ugandan African, whom, to your amazement, not only is out of
touch with what corruption is, but would oblige to conduct it if offered the
chance! It now appears you wanted to use that encounter as your stepping stone
onto the podium of panAfricanism, which is fine. But you should be prepared to
counter any critiques should you be challenge on your activism on the homefront!
You cannot support a rot at home and pontificate here and today, on a
pan-African world view, claiming in a forum full of Ugandans, that all African
states are failed states, of which the human productions, are abysmal given
your brief encounter with one corrupt or could it be ignorant Ugandan! That is
too far fetched a gamble.
Perhaps your sweeping generalization, and condemnation of all post colonial
African states, is a cover up of your weakness, in supporting a glaringly
rotten regime of the NRA/M? If so, the subterfuge won't cut it, at least not
with me.
The post colonial African governments generally were founded on quasi
independent, that is why Africans have basically remained ideologically
underdeveloped to this day; a state with far reaching consequences. Are you
simply going to blame post colonial African leadership without looking into the
neo-colonial activities that by and large contributed to what you are alluding
to, that is, whether the corrupt African leadership brought corruption or
corrupt African "society" breeds corrupt leadership?
Lets take Uganda and look at it first; no claptraps of fake pan-Africanism
when you cannot lift a finger on Mu7!
Dr. Obote 1 government cannot, considering the length of time it was in
power, be qualified as a failed state! Brand Amin's and Mu7's and we will be in
agreement, and seeing eye to eye. Even Amin's was not on donnor payroll, with
budget suppliment into the tune of 50% for 20 years like the NRA/M regime! The
western world ganged up on Amin after he kicked Asians out of the country, but
Amin staggered on in power for a whooping 9 years. If it wasn't for Tanzania,
he could have stayed in power for much longer. Were Ugandans not empowered in
the process? Some of your close relatives are now enjoying the fruits of
business ownership, a thing that was almost unthinkable before Amin kicked the
Asians out! Today Mu7 brought them back and they are displacing the native one
by one, given their background and foundation. Are you going to blame Amin
because Ugnada human capital then could not take advantage of what Amin offered
them?
Although you seemed to have made a valid point with regards to post colonial
governments in Africa inheriting colonial legacy, thusly infrastructure and
mode of operations, Dr. Obote's post colonial administration particularly seems
to have done well not only in terms of human resources development but also on
agriculture. For example, a number of Ugandans gained quality university level
education under Obote 1, from Makerere moreover(then one among the Harvards of
Africa), than under the two presidents: Amin and Mu7, that put them among the
best educated Africans. Of course Uganda as a country failed woefully to reap
the benefits out of these first generation of well educated indigents; however,
there are many reasons that can be attributed to the failure, that your brief
retort did not take into consideration: ne-colonialism, which plays major role
in Africa's political and economic chaos, contributing greatly into the rot in
human capital you are alluding to.
Among the masses, pure villagers with no education, cash crops agricultural
productivities were at its zenith. Where I grew up, I used to see cotton and
tobbaco productions carried out every year. I was little then. Tobbaco barns,
that one cannot find anywhere in the North today, used to be found in almost
every village. These crops were produce in large scale, and were sold to
government, through cooperative union or something of that sort.
Today, the masses in Uganda can barely feed themselves. In the north and
east, they just cannot feed themslves and if it wasn't because of United
nations and the plethora of NGOs in the region, thousands upon thousands would
have perished by now. Was this as well a case during Obote 1 government? Not at
all; not even during Amin's, although the level of poverty and corruption was
high! Parents were still able to feed their children during Amin's time, abeit
food eaten without salt, and bath taken without soap!
In retrospect, among the village producers, the majority of whom were
illiterates, one could feel an air of political and economic savvyness;
something that is quite lacking today and grossly.
Besides, aren't some of the schools and hospitals(though I cannot name one
right off the top of my head) like Boroboro, Nabumale, Makerere college, etc.
not built during Dr. Obote 1 government? (Someone correct me if I am wrong for
I do not know when exactly some of these schools were built). Yet Dr. Obote was
in power for less than 10 years the first time, and barely 5 years the second.
Now compare what he did within these small specks of time with what the Mu7s
and even Amin, did, given the duration of their reign.
Even if we are to expand our telescopic camera to take a peek into the rest
of the African states, we may still find that some of the post colonial
governments in some of these African states actually did a lot of good even
when faced with neo-colonial threats. And had they continued on, you may not
be, today, making blanket condemnation on the rot of the continent's human
capital. Ghana under Nkrumah for instance, was well on the way of
industrilization, and not that industrialization is never possible without a
savvy population and a knowleged manpower.
Nkrumah started by building Akosombo dam, that supply Ghana with electricity
even upto today. Beside Akosombo dam, his administration also build Valco, an
aluminium producing industry that was the main revenue source for Ghana then.
Education wise, Ghana education system was elaborate, catering for plethora of
Ghanaians. Even cocoa production was increased as the nation embarked on a more
robust agricultural activities. Had it not been because of imperialist meddling
in Ghana to scuttle socialism, Ghana could well be at par today, in terms of
economic development, with some of the Asian Tigers. Look at Vietnam's economy
yet the country shook off the vestiges of neo-colonialism barely three decades
ago. Is Vietnam's population as ignorant and corrupt as Africa's? Of course not.
What you are not taking into account in your analysis, most definitely
intransigently, is the fact African human rots, are majorly as a result of
neo-colonialism.
Raising new men, for your information, after decades of colonization, could
not have been carried out in a couple of years. The post colonial African
governments needed a correct political and economic ideology and huge
resources, financial, to have carried out the human transformation very much
lacking yet needed then. Unfortunately colonialists fakely granted the quasi
independent to African states, hastely because of socialist revolution sparked
off by Russia, through the front door, and walked right back into the room
through the back doors, supporting, supplying and encouraging political schism
among the many African political groups; some of whom were struggling to put in
place ideologies they barely have a grasp of. As a result, there rose social,
political and economic decay! Look at Uganda today; look at the north and east.
Do you expect a savvy population from these region after two decades of war,
displacement, poverty and diseases? If even in places like
kampala and Mbarara, one finds street dwellers and corrupt government
officials, then the question is no longer an "African blight", but rather what
we put in place in terms of governments, that mind you normally are faced with
neo-colonial meddling in African affairs, scuttling any human progression,
examples: Ghana under Nkrumah; Uganda under Dr. Obote; DRC under Patrice
Lumumba, and now Zimbabwe under Mugabe.
The government of the NRA/M has embarked on auctioning the country wholesale,
playing the role of lackeyism to a new height. The poverty this move is leaving
behind is the cause of all the corruptions you see today.
The Ugandan you encountered, and who does not understand what corruption is
but a normal and noble thing to do, is a product of the decay under the NRA/M!
Ocii
P.S: I am waiting for your response to Ozodi Thomas with baited breath!
Okuto del Coli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No bwana Ocii, perhaps you got an exceptional ability to
misunderstand me. You do not seem to have gotten me right, unfortunately.
Perhaps stubbornly so.
The situation in context is not particularly akin to any specific regime only.
Hence, merely regime change may not amount to an anodyne. You could take any
regime (Ugandan or African) and labor out whether the regime brought corruption
to the society or the corrupt society (rd. PEOPLE) hatched forth the corrupt
regime.
Quite frankly it is deeper than the regimes. In which regards, the initial post
independence regimes ( or post colonial regimes) bear the brunt of the blames
for prevalent impact. In which case, the UPC regimes were no exception.
The first post colonial regimes got too much credits for what they did not do.
They inherited colonial mantles: colonial infrastructures, culture and economy
and, that was about it.
On the surface, it appeared like they created jobs opportunities. But that was
deceptive. In reality, they merely replaced colonial personnel and added to it
un-financed post in a best client-patron style. And after the replacements were
fulfilled, that was about it!
A similar situation occurred during Idi Amins "MAFUTA MINGI" when we saw
government reallocation of Asian and foreign businesses to Ugandan (without
restrain, for that matter).
After the new business class had sold whatever was in stock and bonds, that was
it!!
Since most regime changes in Uganda and Africa occur through coup de tar, short
sighted job opportunities are created after military coups.
Your sectoral perspective / attitude tells it all. For example, if your type of
mentality takes control of state power, disaster would impact ( inevitably so).
Apparently, some sections of your favor would applaud in rapture while others
will feel decimated or marginalized and heel for the bush and, the same circle
would continue.
People who grow up like I did under perfect multi racial environment do not
often respond to isms such as tribalism or similar sectoral extremes. Even
while still in Uganda I always felt and considered myself Ugandan. I know
politics always entail confrontation but, it has to be guided such and does not
absolutely have to mean vandalization or liquidation of dissidents as your seem
to suggest. Perhaps I miss understood you?!
As this is a similar issue to that of the scholar you forwarded, please read my
contribution to that. I am working on it.
Best regards
noc'l gau
--- On Sat 08/11, ocii < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From: ocii [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:51:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] FOOL ME GOOD!!
Huh, Gau,
"Talking to Ugandan has made me become more convinced than ever, that
stagnation, negative development, political vandalism, corruption, nepotism,
tribalism......(help me draw the list: add any of your own, it will fit)....,
permeates our continent because we are African. "
"Like I was saying, talking to Ugandan has made me open my eyes."? You are way
too slow and in the process, have defended a very wrong government that has
killed the country generally for the last 20+ years! Do you see yourself being
guilty or ignorant here? Me think you are not ignorant; you are well educated!
Besides, you have lived in the Scandinavia for years and should have learnt how
real government works!
The system Mu7 put in Uganda was and is a system rooted on hate toward
northerners and easterners. It was not a system that was designed to re-shape
the country, politically, economically or even sociallly, towards the idealism
of marxism. Mu7 was a pseudo marxist who did not even understand marx's
ideology!! Plainly a punk, who has killed our country; sold it to the highest
bidders, leaving indigents more wretched than ever before.
These people must go, and all one by one collected and punished to send a clear
message to any would-be idiot!: Play with the country and its economy and we
cut your head!
Plain and simple.
No more dilly-dallying with economic and political idiots!
Ocii
Okuto del Coli wrote:
FOOL ME GOOD SITUATION.
Yes I go frank, O.K!!! I am convinced. The mite of the "chicken and egg"
situation is no longer a silhouette clouding African horizon. It is live and
deadly paralyzing all institution. We have always known about ambivalences in
life.That politics is always and at all times ambivalent. But when criminality
and correctness is but an object for definition, we know time has come for the
surgeon to operate himself.
Talking to Ugandan has made me become more convinced than ever, that
stagnation, negative development, political vandalism, corruption, nepotism,
tribalism......(help me draw the list: add any of your own, it will fit)....,
permeates our continent because we are African. YET, IT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL!!!!
Our politicians are corrupt because they are still one of our type
That is where the chicken and egg situation comes in. Which one came first?!
Our corrupt leaders leaders or corrupt society?!
Like I was saying, talking to Ugandan has made me open my eyes. LOOK AT THIS
KNOCK-OUT:
I asked about a honest obedient civil servant I used to know in KCC. A man of
correctness. A democracy personified and the Ugandan answered:
".....Aah Laduma, that one.., don't even ask about him. That idiot is just
there working, working, working. The guy is sitting on jackpot and he is just
working working working...He doesn't even know how to eat!! Everybody is eating
and himself he is just working working working. Me if they put me in that
position.., hm-mm, one day only..., I will be the riches man in Uganda....Is
just joking.,playing. If they put me there, I will tear the damn place
completely..."
I stared at my fellow Uganda with pity and dismay. How pathetic! I realized
Ugandan think differently. Here is Ugandan commoner (just coming direct from
home) talking. So in his world corruption, embezzlement etc are not only
accepted norm but also something respected. Hmm what a world. The one who has
not cheated remains a bullshit until he cheats.
How about this:
Senior government officials (so called upper class) parties. A senior police
officers says about a ministers son:
".......Man if you see A's son, wow that guy is though. I am telling you, that
boy can drive.....Man, I saw boy last week take the fathers Pajero. Oh boy,
what a speed!!.....I am telling you the guy tore from Kololo to Masaka.....,
one hour only and he was back. I tell you the guy can drive...Hmmm, he is so
short he sits on pillows to see the road but, he tears..."
That is really pathetic is it not?! Here is a senior government police officer.
A trained body guard talking. A law enforcement officer talking about a boy who
is barely thirteen (13!!!!!).
First of all, he should have ensured that the boy NEVER drives at that age.
More so, never drives without a drivers license. Yet further, he should have
the boy's father ( in this case the minister) answerable for allowing the son
drive his car unlawfully. Instead, he is proud of and applaud the criminal.
Yes that is the soil!!
joyficate
Noc'l gaumoy
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