This fellow, Okuto del Coli, claims to have ..... grown up under a perfect multiracial environment ...
Isn't such a phrase utter meaningless verbiage? It is just one other example of how vacuous debates on our fora have degenerated !! Sad hey !!! =================================================== On 8/11/07, Okuto del Coli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No bwana Ocii, perhaps you got an exceptional ability to misunderstand > me. You do not seem to have gotten me right, unfortunately. Perhaps > stubbornly so. > > The situation in context is not particularly akin to any specific regime > only. Hence, merely regime change may not amount to an anodyne. You could > take any regime (Ugandan or African) and labor out whether the regime > brought corruption to the society or the corrupt society (rd. PEOPLE) > hatched forth the corrupt regime. > > Quite frankly it is deeper than the regimes. In which regards, the initial > post independence regimes ( or post colonial regimes) bear the brunt of the > blames for prevalent impact. In which case, the UPC regimes were no > exception. > > The first post colonial regimes got too much credits for what they did not > do. They inherited colonial mantles: colonial infrastructures, culture and > economy and, that was about it. > > On the surface, it appeared like they created jobs opportunities. But that > was deceptive. In reality, they merely replaced colonial personnel and added > to it un-financed post in a best client-patron style. And after the > replacements were fulfilled, that was about it! > > A similar situation occurred during Idi Amins "MAFUTA MINGI" when we saw > government reallocation of Asian and foreign businesses to Ugandan (without > restrain, for that matter). > > After the new business class had sold whatever was in stock and bonds, > that was it!! > > Since most regime changes in Uganda and Africa occur through coup de tar, > short sighted job opportunities are created after military coups. > > Your sectoral perspective / attitude tells it all. For example, if your > type of mentality takes control of state power, disaster would impact ( > inevitably so). Apparently, some sections of your favor would applaud in > rapture while others will feel decimated or marginalized and heel for the > bush and, the same circle would continue. > > People who grow up like I did under perfect multi racial environment do > not often respond to isms such as tribalism or similar sectoral extremes. > Even while still in Uganda I always felt and considered myself Ugandan. I > know politics always entail confrontation but, it has to be guided such and > does not absolutely have to mean vandalization or liquidation of dissidents > as your seem to suggest. Perhaps I miss understood you?! > > As this is a similar issue to that of the scholar you forwarded, please > read my contribution to that. I am working on it. > Best regards > noc'l gau > > > > > --- On Sat 08/11, ocii < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > *From: *ocii [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > *Date: *Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:51:02 -0400 (EDT) > *Subject: *Re: [Ugnet] FOOL ME GOOD!! > > Huh, Gau, > > "*Talking to Ugandan has made me become more convinced than ever, that > stagnation, negative development, political vandalism, corruption, nepotism, > tribalism......(help me draw the list: add any of your own, it will > fit)...., permeates our continent because we are African*. " > > "*Like I was saying, talking to Ugandan has made me open my eyes*."? You > are way too slow and in the process, have defended a very wrong government > that has killed the country generally for the last 20+ years! Do you see > yourself being guilty or ignorant here? Me think you are not ignorant; you > are well educated! Besides, you have lived in the Scandinavia for years and > should have learnt how real government works! > > The system Mu7 put in Uganda was and is a system rooted on hate toward > northerners and easterners. It was not a system that was designed to > re-shape the country, politically, economically or even sociallly, towards > the idealism of marxism. Mu7 was a pseudo marxist who did not even > understand marx's ideology!! Plainly a punk, who has killed our country; > sold it to the highest bidders, leaving indigents more wretched than ever > before. > > These people must go, and all one by one collected and punished to send a > clear message to any would-be idiot!: Play with the country and its economy > and we cut your head! > > Plain and simple. > > No more dilly-dallying with economic and political idiots! > > Ocii > > *Okuto del Coli *wrote: > > FOOL ME GOOD SITUATION. > > Yes I go frank, O.K!!! I am convinced. The mite of the "chicken and egg" > situation is no longer a silhouette clouding African horizon. It is live and > deadly paralyzing all institution. We have always known about ambivalences > in life.That politics is always and at all times ambivalent. But when > criminality and correctness is but an object for definition, we know time > has come for the surgeon to operate himself. > > Talking to Ugandan has made me become more convinced than ever, that > stagnation, negative development, political vandalism, corruption, nepotism, > tribalism......(help me draw the list: add any of your own, it will > fit)...., permeates our continent because we are African. YET, IT IS NOT > BIOLOGICAL!!!! Our politicians are corrupt because they are still one of our > type > > That is where the chicken and egg situation comes in. Which one came > first?! Our corrupt leaders leaders or corrupt society?! > Like I was saying, talking to Ugandan has made me open my eyes. LOOK AT > THIS KNOCK-OUT: > > I asked about a honest obedient civil servant I used to know in KCC. A man > of correctness. A democracy personified and the Ugandan answered: > > *".....Aah Laduma, that one.., don't even ask about him. That idiot is > just there working, working, working. The guy is sitting on jackpot and he > is just working working working...He doesn't even know how to eat!! > Everybody is eating and himself he is just working working working. Me if > they put me in that position.., hm-mm, one day only..., I will be the riches > man in Uganda....Is just joking.,playing. If they put me there, I will tear > the damn place completely..."* > > I stared at my fellow Uganda with pity and dismay. How pathetic! I > realized Ugandan think differently. Here is Ugandan commoner (just coming > direct from home) talking. So in his world corruption, embezzlement etc are > not only accepted norm but also something respected. Hmm what a world. The > one who has not cheated remains a bullshit until he cheats. > > How about this: > > Senior government officials (so called upper class) parties. A senior > police officers says about a ministers son: > > *".......Man if you see A's son, wow that guy is though. I am telling you, > that boy can drive.....Man, I saw boy last week take the fathers Pajero. Oh > boy, what a speed!!.....I am telling you the guy tore from Kololo to > Masaka....., one hour only and he was back. I tell you the guy can > drive...Hmmm, he is so short he sits on pillows to see the road but, he > tears..."* > ** > That is really pathetic is it not?! Here is a senior government police > officer. A trained body guard talking. A law enforcement officer talking > about a boy who is barely thirteen (13!!!!!). > > First of all, he should have ensured that the boy NEVER drives at that > age. More so, never drives without a drivers license. Yet further, he should > have the boy's father ( in this case the minister) answerable for allowing > the son drive his car unlawfully. Instead, he is proud of and applaud the > criminal. > > Yes that is the soil!! > joyficate > Noc'l gaumoy > ------------------------------ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - > http://www.myway.com_______________________________________________ > Ugandanet mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > --------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ > *All new Yahoo! Mail > *<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca> > ------------------------------ > Get news delivered. 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