Its a done deal!
And any attempt to link me with FDC only show idiocy. I have made it many
times clear I am not an FDC. In fact I don't belong to any party; and that is a
personal choice.
Further, when a party is formed, its members cannot compaign by advocating
violent overthrow of a regime. Organizations that advocate violent overthrow of
regimes, are organizations formed with sole aim of carrying guns to achieve
their goal, like the NRA/M, of which the leader went to the bush on false claim
of rigged election, thereby waging a five year guerilla war. Leaders of such
organizations are the ones who call for violent overthrow of regimes.
Therefore, trying to claim that Dr. Besigye goes to the North and East and
pontificate that he has supporters in the NRA and therefore will overthrow the
NRA government by force is at best stupid if not malicious! FDC is a political
party not a guerilla movement.
But keep the debate coming; to look at some interesting angle.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mayimuna Kenyi 2
There is as well another point I failed to include in my first posting to
you. When you are discussing political issues with Ugandans you need to
understand how bad is their back ground, for you see we can fly as far away
from Uganda but Uganda follows us. And I can give you a example of what Abbey
Ssemuwemba posted. He claimed that it is true Uganda election is rigged for the
Mutale's beat people. But you see that lame excuse sells for in all years
Ssemuwemba and company have sold it, Ugandans buy it for face value. Although
there is no recorded Ugandan to have been beaten into a changing of a vote,
Ugandans believe that the violence of Mutale is the creation of he results of
Uganda elections. It is such a very shallow way of looking at things for it is
even not practical. Go on Uganda election results and see how some MPs win so
closely, but the Ssemuwemba's do not go to investigate those matters and come
up with a more intelligent argument. For honestly claiming that
Museveni wins elections for Mutale beats people, Must frighten every one
thinking critically.
So you start to wonder. Why has Ssemuwemba or any one claiming rigging failed
to respond to the right challenges I posted this morning? Why no one has stood
up to challenge the issue of constituency demarcations? Had I responded to
Ssemuwemba that yes it is true Museveni wins for Mutale beats people, you would
have seen this heading moving an and on. But you see to challenge this
discussion you need to step out of sheer ignorance and Nawulidde's, do a
research and then present the defence you have. And Ugandans hate facts and
hate researching. That is why you see that Mwaami Ssemuwemba actually posted a
single sentence to raise my hype on this issue. For that is all they post, a
single sentence, un researched and never tested but based on Nawuliddde. Yes it
is true that Mwaami Ssemuwemba can bring up a relative that was beaten during
elections but can that relative state that beatings made him vote the movement?
Or UPC on Obote two? And why does the Movement beat people
selectively for one can wonder why in their beatings during the last election,
they failed to make people like betty Kamya loose. Now that is interesting.
That is why I state that Ugandans are actually brain washed to violence, and
that is why Dr Kiiza Besigye uses a signal to violence to win the Northerners,
It is so frightening that in all wars we have passed in Uganda one can actually
campaign on a premise that UPDF supports me and we can throw Museveni out by
force. And it is that style of reasoning where one has made one member here
declare that he will go to Uganda and plead that the firing squads of Amin be
re instated. That is the reasoning of FDC, it is violence ad violence and
violence, and don't kid your self they are going to achieve it for you have got
all these indicators and still voting for them. For let me put a second example
to make a very good illustration to you, aren't you amazed on the numbers of
responses coming out on the attempt of Amin's life? Aren't you amazed that they
are more than the discussion I left that we must clean up the election system
in Uganda? Look on that they are posting, Ocii
states that he will look for the firing squads back to Uganda. This was from a
Jean Paul Mivumba and I quote "We are keeping tabs on all this "fujjo". When
the time is right this Mujuni
will eat from the bush(ajja kulila ku nsiko)" End quote. To Ugandans that kind
of discussion moves faster that enlighten that we need an electro commission
that is independent.
When I was in Luwero last Month I was so surprised to see how a term "Nja
kukubikula Obwongo" was being used, for you see the Dr. Kiiza Besigye trained
the kids in Luwero to open a head top of any one with out using a scalpel. For
these are men that were in the jungle with out supplies. so creativity was the
name of he game. Today we have citizens that can open up a skull with bare
hands.
Mayimuna create a violent discussion so that our population can participate.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Mayimuna Kenyi
To: Edward Mulindwa ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: RE:OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Edward:
I must admit I haven't finished reading this your posting for lack of time, but
I got the gist. I will reread it carefully soon. But in my opinion, if that
electoral commission is not cleaned up and a neutral one set up, elections in
Uganda will never be fair. Lukyamuzi suggested a few things that the Ugandans
at heart foundation should do, I think advocating for a clean and neutral
electoral commission should be one of the priorities of the foundation. My two
cents.
Congratulations to you on the Liberals winning a majority. It was an
interesting night indeed.
Mayimuna
------- Original Message Follows ------- From: ">Edward Mulindwa
To: "><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:36:09 -0400
Ssebo Abbey Ssemuwemba
I want to pick up on your posting of last night that I was unable to finish
for I had an election night. And this is about the rigging of elections in
Uganda, for you very well asked a question and I quote " if Museveni was
confident of winning a free and affair election in Uganda, why does he find it
necessary to rig the elections, to terrorise voters and militarise the
politics? Why should a popular leader use the Kakooza Mutale and Tumukunde to
beat people up?" And I need to take a moment and pick up on this argument for
this issue of rigging election has reached a point where I think we must face
it.
Now suppose all you have stated is true, suppose the Kakooza Mutale's and
Tumukunde's beat up people during the election, how does that affect the
electors? Is there any known election in Uganda where a soldier or an army
officer or any government agent has been known to follow an elector into the
election closet and instruct a Ugandan on what to tick? And I do not think so.
Yes there may be a terrorisation into Ugandans by wrong elements in elections
but truth has to be always told, Ugandans as a people still have the right to
go and alone inside a small room and choose who they want to elect. And
honestly if a government agency has terrorised me from the out side when I get
a chance to be alone into that room why do I really elect that government?
Wouldn't that make every body mad and do not elect the sitting government? What
I need to be explained here, how can a government agency terrorise a population
in such a way that they go into a ballot box and elect the
government? Are Ugandans really that stupid?
Second point, elections are all over the place the same and I have followed
or been involved into so many elections including the one of last night that I
have been involved in very extensively. Although we get a day to elect but we
surely know from get go who will win an election and by how much before people
go into that ballot box. I stated right here in this forum, I think I was
writing to OJ, that in the coming Ontario elections, The Conservatives are
going to loose, I stated too that John Tory was not going to be elected and
after this loss he is going to get out of politics and I will post his
resignation letter into this forum. The only thing that has not happened yet
is John's resignation, now the PC's have a party meeting next February, I will
be surprised if he is still their leader. We do not have a leader of opposition
for the party was so devastated. Now tell me Mwaami Ssemuwemba, how did I
manage to state those things with such accuracy, was the Ontario
election rigged? No it was not but as a man that follows election, this
election was very hyped, a return of the conservatives was a No go for we have
a very bad history on them, and let me state this two, the Liberals are going
to win a next election which will be 4 years to come, un less they make a very
huge and large stupid mistake. And it still will be a majority government. And
I will be back here to remind this I told you so. There are constituencies that
you know for sure have to be won by the Liberals even if they did not campaign,
Toronto center the constituency I live in, we even refused them to knock on our
doors, for we wanted the minister of health re-elected no questions asked, and
to preach for the opposition in my constituency was a waste of time.
Now go back to Uganda, Do you think that there is any body that can preach in
Masaka to make Buddu not elect DP? For example today, is there any one who
expects FDC not to win in urban areas? And the answer is no because FDC got all
the votes from non critical thinkers, and they all happen to be Bayaayes who
mainly dwell in urban centers. Even if you beat the lives out of them with
sticks or with facts, the Muyaye of Kampala is going to elect FDC that is a
given. Why were they elected in Northern Uganda? Because FDC played on their
agony by lying to them that he has 98% of UPDF and the armed forces will face
the movement and throw he government out. And if you look carefully Besigye did
not use that statement any where in Uganda except the areas that were in agony
with the Movement, and that happened to be Eastern Uganda and North. Of course
people were tired in those areas with the sufferings, of curse they are smart
to understand that Museveni needs an army revolt, and
of course Besigye as a man that was in the army had to be trusted to be
stating what he knows for he was not known to be a liar and he was a soldier.
Even if you told the Northerners that a Pig will lead the army to throw out
Museveni they would have elected it. There is no way you would terrorise the
population in camps not to vote for who ever has the army's backing. And when
you look closely, after Besigye started to be arrested day in day out and no
single soldier opened up his mouth, FDC started to loose Northern Uganda for
now they know him as a liar. That is why they have never won even a single
by-election that is why UPC started to make wins in some areas. And that is why
I state that in next election most of the votes to FDC are going to go to UPC.
I would be very surprised if UPC does not become the official opposition.
In conclusion. rigging happens in Uganda but on a much intellectual scale and
this is what I need to emphasize. The coming election is being rigged today in
Uganda, when we are sleeping. As we spend all time talking about the Kakooza
Mutale's and Tumukunde's the coming election is being rigged. Because the
government is carefully looking for the areas of support and allocating those
areas with so many districts. Even if you bring all eligible voters in Lubaga
and they show up with their goats and cows, and all these vote, you are all
still voting for a single MP. yet when you go into areas the government expects
to be won, the very same number of population is going to bring in 5 MPs. You
do not need to terrorise the population to win such election. And that is why
some of us can sit and tell you who will win and who will loose with a margin
of .5 mistake. What you need to do in Uganda is to forget every thing, but
create or fight for an independent electro commission.
When you get that, allow that indpendent commission to work out a policy on
demarcating the constituencies, if they base on districts let it be uniform, if
they base on population let it be uniform, then let the electors fight for
these constituencies. The sitting government must never be given a right to
demarcate constituencies especially in Uganda where most people are in urban
areas, for the population of Apach is not the same as the population in
Buganda. That is where you need a system of equal representation. This is some
thing we all as Ugandans must fight for, an independent electro commission, and
let the government deal with the Tumukundes if it wants or not. But let the
vote thrown into the box represent equally. Ugandans must be educated to
understand that the very many votes thrown into ballot votes do not mean
winning, it is getting many MPs that means winning.
The question to you today, is how are those constituencies demarcated?
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
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