Pure nonsense and parading stupidity!!
Has it ever occured to you that violence against oppositions by security
apparatuses normally caused opposition supporters not to go and vote at all??
You are exposed!
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mwaami Aligawesa
Look at Uganda electorate very closely, is there any constituency you can
give that you were surprised a certain party won when it should have not? For
example let us talk bout UPC and its winning in Luwero District, did you expect
a DP candidate to win in those parts of Luwero but found out that UPC won? And
I will say no because actually most of those parts of Luwero and Mukono as
well, have very many non Baganda that vote for UPC, and not only that but many
Baganda in Luwero loved the party that is why Luwero and Mukono developed much
faster than any other district in Buganda under Obote one. Luwero for example
had the largest electricity net work in the entire Uganda, Luwero has the most
coffee ginneries and cotton ginneries, permanent roads the same. The only next
District on Luwero is Mukono.
This started from way back in Obote one, that is why men like Biridadi
Muwonge, Kalule and so on developed those districts. Men like Sam Ssebirumbi
were following in the very same path. Now when you put a free election in
Uganda even today, UPC is very likely to take some of those constituencies, for
the things done in Luwero Mukono and Mityana some how are permanent and will
never be forgotten. Why do you think the Dr. Kiiza Besigye's decided to run a
nation on a one party system that long? For they knew that if they call for an
election they will loose. Why would I even want to steal the ballots and stuff
them?
Again I will go back to my argument that if one sets up the constituencies he
can set them up in such away that he will win an election, in fact if I was a
Uganda president the day I would go for holidays is election day. And the fools
calls in international observers to observe an election that was already
decided. I sit in Toronto and make a prediction of what results will come out
of an election in Uganda, by simply looking at the constituency allocations,
and I am always right to a plus or minus two seats. When I am not even in
Uganda. How do I manage to do that? Ask your self a very simple question, why
has Museveni refused to give Nakaseke a district status?
It is even interesting that this discussion started with they beat Ugandans
to vote wrong, when I challenged that now we have moved to they stuff the
boxes. Can you stuff the boxes so that the Movement wins any constituency in
Lira District?
And that is a direct question.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
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----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Hi Cliff! I wonder why someone like Mulindwa would write such a long essay
about something he does not understand? Elections are not rigged by forcing
voters ofcourse but by manipulating the count. With opponents unable to furnish
polling stations monitors at all polling stations right there gives
unscrupulous politicians and their supporters a free hand to stuff ballots in
boxes and even freely determine the final count of the votes. Also about the
districts, Uganda does not use the electoral college kind of system. Its the
total count of votes that matters for the presidency at least, not how many
constituencies were won. Also constituencies are determined by population.
Voter registers can be messed with in areas of opposition support. My advice
for the opposition; Its not enough to win votes, you need to protect them
vigilantly.
Aligawesa
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Musimenta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:36 am
Subject: RE: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Your point # 1 below is a sign of the highest ignorance about Ugandan
politics and political news/analyses that there can ever be. Ever heard that
some people vote while still on the way to the voting station? And this is
common knowledge to everyone that cares to know. Mr. Mulindwa please revist you
knowledge reserves if they still contain anything. Thanks.
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From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:36:09 -0400
Ssebo Abbey Ssemuwemba
I want to pick up on your posting of last night that I was unable to finish
for I had an election night. And this is about the rigging of elections in
Uganda, for you very well asked a question and I quote " if Museveni was
confident of winning a free and affair election in Uganda, why does he find it
necessary to rig the elections, to terrorise voters and militarise the
politics? Why should a popular leader use the Kakooza Mutale and Tumukunde to
beat people up?" And I need to take a moment and pick up on this argument for
this issue of rigging election has reached a point where I think we must face
it.
Now suppose all you have stated is true, suppose the Kakooza Mutale's and
Tumukunde's beat up people during the election, how does that affect the
electors? Is there any known election in Uganda where a soldier or an army
officer or any government agent has been known to follow an elector into the
election closet and instruct a Ugandan on what to tick? And I do not think so.
Yes there may be a terrorisation into Ugandans by wrong elements in elections
but truth has to be always told, Ugandans as a people still have the right to
go and alone inside a small room and choose who they want to elect. And
honestly if a government agency has terrorised me from the out side when I get
a chance to be alone into that room why do I really elect that government?
Wouldn't that make every body mad and do not elect the sitting government? What
I need to be explained here, how can a government agency terrorise a population
in such a way that they go into a ballot box and elect the
government? Are Ugandans really that stupid?
Second point, elections are all over the place the same and I have followed
or been involved into so many elections including the one of last night that I
have been involved in very extensively. Although we get a day to elect but we
surely know from get go who will win an election and by how much before people
go into that ballot box. I stated right here in this forum, I think I was
writing to OJ, that in the coming Ontario elections, The Conservatives are
going to loose, I stated too that John Tory was not going to be elected and
after this loss he is going to get out of politics and I will post his
resignation letter into this forum. The only thing that has not happened yet
is John's resignation, now the PC's have a party meeting next February, I will
be surprised if he is still their leader. We do not have a leader of opposition
for the party was so devastated. Now tell me Mwaami Ssemuwemba, how did I
manage to state those things with such accuracy, was the Ontario
election rigged? No it was not but as a man that follows election, this
election was very hyped, a return of the conservatives was a No go for we have
a very bad history on them, and let me state this two, the Liberals are going
to win a next election which will be 4 years to come, un less they make a very
huge and large stupid mistake. And it still will be a majority government. And
I will be back here to remind this I told you so. There are constituencies that
you know for sure have to be won by the Liberals even if they did not campaign,
Toronto center the constituency I live in, we even refused them to knock on our
doors, for we wanted the minister of health re-elected no questions asked, and
to preach for the opposition in my constituency was a waste of time.
Now go back to Uganda, Do you think that there is any body that can preach in
Masaka to make Buddu not elect DP? For example today, is there any one who
expects FDC not to win in urban areas? And the answer is no because FDC got all
the votes from non critical thinkers, and they all happen to be Bayaayes who
mainly dwell in urban centers. Even if you beat the lives out of them with
sticks or with facts, the Muyaye of Kampala is going to elect FDC that is a
given. Why were they elected in Northern Uganda? Because FDC played on their
agony by lying to them that he has 98% of UPDF and the armed forces will face
the movement and throw he government out. And if you look carefully Besigye did
not use that statement any where in Uganda except the areas that were in agony
with the Movement, and that happened to be Eastern Uganda and North. Of course
people were tired in those areas with the sufferings, of curse they are smart
to understand that Museveni needs an army revolt, and
of course Besigye as a man that was in the army had to be trusted to be
stating what he knows for he was not known to be a liar and he was a soldier.
Even if you told the Northerners that a Pig will lead the army to throw out
Museveni they would have elected it. There is no way you would terrorise the
population in camps not to vote for who ever has the army's backing. And when
you look closely, after Besigye started to be arrested day in day out and no
single soldier opened up his mouth, FDC started to loose Northern Uganda for
now they know him as a liar. That is why they have never won even a single
by-election that is why UPC started to make wins in some areas. And that is why
I state that in next election most of the votes to FDC are going to go to UPC.
I would be very surprised if UPC does not become the official opposition.
In conclusion. rigging happens in Uganda but on a much intellectual scale and
this is what I need to emphasize. The coming election is being rigged today in
Uganda, when we are sleeping. As we spend all time talking about the Kakooza
Mutale's and Tumukunde's the coming election is being rigged. Because the
government is carefully looking for the areas of support and allocating those
areas with so many districts. Even if you bring all eligible voters in Lubaga
and they show up with their goats and cows, and all these vote, you are all
still voting for a single MP. yet when you go into areas the government expects
to be won, the very same number of population is going to bring in 5 MPs. You
do not need to terrorise the population to win such election. And that is why
some of us can sit and tell you who will win and who will loose with a margin
of .5 mistake. What you need to do in Uganda is to forget every thing, but
create or fight for an independent electro commission.
When you get that, allow that indpendent commission to work out a policy on
demarcating the constituencies, if they base on districts let it be uniform, if
they base on population let it be uniform, then let the electors fight for
these constituencies. The sitting government must never be given a right to
demarcate constituencies especially in Uganda where most people are in urban
areas, for the population of Apach is not the same as the population in
Buganda. That is where you need a system of equal representation. This is some
thing we all as Ugandans must fight for, an independent electro commission, and
let the government deal with the Tumukundes if it wants or not. But let the
vote thrown into the box represent equally. Ugandans must be educated to
understand that the very many votes thrown into ballot votes do not mean
winning, it is getting many MPs that means winning.
The question to you today, is how are those constituencies demarcated?
EM
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