Philip, You wrote: "Redistricting constituencies can be used to curve out areas of support for a certain party or candidate but it won't give the President a victory on its own because every vote counts." Can you explain how it won't give victory "on its own", to a government bent on rigging election? Ocii
Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr. Mulindwa, I wonder whether we are on the same page but here are are some facts. I have never known Luwero to support UPC. I dont know whether by Sam Sebirumbi you mean Haj Musa Sebirumbi but he was hardly beloved by the citizens. In 1966 when the Mutesa was attacked there was a stiff resistance by citizens in Luwero and there was a mini ethnic cleansing in the area. In 1980, DP overwhelmingly won Luwero; Dr Semambo and Kisamba Mugerwa. When Museveni started the bush war in 1980, he went to Luwero because he knew thats where he would find the most support against Obote's government. When Obote died, his body took a circuitous route via the East because the people of Luwero, mobilized by Haj nadduli threatened to disrupt the procession, and they even burnt Obote's effigy. There is not a single cotton farm or ginnery in Luwero district and coffee is getting wiped out by pests and government indifference. And by the way, Nakaseke is a district with its own District headquarters, LC5 chairman, and District women's Member of Parliament. Now that we have the facts out of the way, It's for lack of a better word, absurd to claim that people can be caned into voting for a candidate or party. Even Ugandans are more sophisticated than that. Other members have already outlined all kinds of ways that an election maybe rigged. Redistricting constituencies can be used to curve out areas of support for a certain party or candidate but it won't give the President a victory on its own because every vote counts. We don't have an electoral college in Uganda's general elections. Byebyange. Aligawesa On Oct 12, 7:59 am, "Edward Mulindwa" wrote: > Mwaami Aligawesa > > Look at Uganda electorate very closely, is there any constituency you can > give that you were surprised a certain party won when it should have not? For > example let us talk bout UPC and its winning in Luwero District, did you > expect a DP candidate to win in those parts of Luwero but found out that UPC > won? And I will say no because actually most of those parts of Luwero and > Mukono as well, have very many non Baganda that vote for UPC, and not only > that but many Baganda in Luwero loved the party that is why Luwero and Mukono > developed much faster than any other district in Buganda under Obote one. > Luwero for example had the largest electricity net work in the entire Uganda, > Luwero has the most coffee ginneries and cotton ginneries, permanent roads > the same. The only next District on Luwero is Mukono. > > This started from way back in Obote one, that is why men like Biridadi > Muwonge, Kalule and so on developed those districts. Men like Sam Ssebirumbi > were following in the very same path. Now when you put a free election in > Uganda even today, UPC is very likely to take some of those constituencies, > for the things done in Luwero Mukono and Mityana some how are permanent and > will never be forgotten. Why do you think the Dr. Kiiza Besigye's decided to > run a nation on a one party system that long? For they knew that if they call > for an election they will loose. Why would I even want to steal the ballots > and stuff them? > > Again I will go back to my argument that if one sets up the constituencies he > can set them up in such away that he will win an election, in fact if I was a > Uganda president the day I would go for holidays is election day. And the > fools calls in international observers to observe an election that was > already decided. I sit in Toronto and make a prediction of what results will > come out of an election in Uganda, by simply looking at the constituency > allocations, and I am always right to a plus or minus two seats. When I am > not even in Uganda. How do I manage to do that? Ask your self a very simple > question, why has Museveni refused to give Nakaseke a district status? > > It is even interesting that this discussion started with they beat Ugandans > to vote wrong, when I challenged that now we have moved to they stuff the > boxes. Can you stuff the boxes so that the Movement wins any constituency in > Lira District? > > And that is a direct question. > > EM > Toronto > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA > > Hi Cliff! I wonder why someone like Mulindwa would write such a long essay > about something he does not understand? Elections are not rigged by forcing > voters ofcourse but by manipulating the count. With opponents unable to > furnish polling stations monitors at all polling stations right there gives > unscrupulous politicians and their supporters a free hand to stuff ballots in > boxes and even freely determine the final count of the votes. Also about the > districts, Uganda does not use the electoral college kind of system. Its the > total count of votes that matters for the presidency at least, not how many > constituencies were won. Also constituencies are determined by population. > Voter registers can be messed with in areas of opposition support. My advice > for the opposition; Its not enough to win votes, you need to protect them > vigilantly. > > Aligawesa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Musimenta > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:36 am > Subject: RE: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA > > Your point # 1 below is a sign of the highest ignorance about Ugandan > politics and political news/analyses that there can ever be. Ever heard that > some people vote while still on the way to the voting station? And this is > common knowledge to everyone that cares to know. Mr. Mulindwa please revist > you knowledge reserves if they still contain anything. Thanks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­- > From: "Edward Mulindwa" > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: > Subject: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:36:09 -0400 > > Ssebo Abbey Ssemuwemba > > I want to pick up on your posting of last night that I was unable to finish > for I had an election night. And this is about the rigging of elections in > Uganda, for you very well asked a question and I quote " if Museveni was > confident of winning a free and affair election in Uganda, why does he find > it necessary to rig the elections, to terrorise voters and militarise the > politics? Why should a popular leader use the Kakooza Mutale and Tumukunde to > beat people up?" And I need to take a moment and pick up on this argument for > this issue of rigging election has reached a point where I think we must face > it. > > Now suppose all you have stated is true, suppose the Kakooza Mutale's and > Tumukunde's beat up people during the election, how does that affect the > electors? Is there any known election in Uganda where a soldier or an army > officer or any government agent has been known to follow an elector into the > election closet and instruct a Ugandan on what to tick? And I do not think > so. Yes there may be a terrorisation into Ugandans by wrong elements in > elections but truth has to be always told, Ugandans as a people still have > the right to go and alone inside a small room and choose who they want to > elect. And honestly if a government agency has terrorised me from the out > side when I get a chance to be alone into that room why do I really elect > that government? Wouldn't that make every body mad and do not elect the > sitting government? What I need to be explained here, how can a government > agency terrorise a population in such a way that they go into a ballot box > and elect the government? Are Ugandans really that stupid? > > Second point, elections are all over the place the same and I have followed > or been involved into so many elections including the one of last night that > I have been involved in very extensively. Although we get a day to elect but > we surely know from get go who will win an election and by how much before > people go into that ballot box. I stated right here in this forum, I think I > was writing to OJ, that in the coming Ontario elections, The Conservatives > are going to loose, I stated too that John Tory was not going to be elected > and after this loss he is going to get out of politics and I will post his > resignation letter into this forum. The only thing that has not happened yet > is John's resignation, now the PC's have a party meeting next February, I > will be surprised if he is still their leader. We do not have a leader of > opposition for the party was so devastated. Now tell me Mwaami Ssemuwemba, > how did I manage to state those things with such accuracy, was the Ontario election rigged? No it was not but as a man that follows election, this election was very hyped, a return of the conservatives was a No go for we have a very bad history on them, and let me state this two, the Liberals are going to win a next election which will be 4 years to come, un less they make a very huge and large stupid mistake. And it still will be a majority government. And I will be back here to remind this I told you so. There are constituencies that you know for sure have to be won by the Liberals even if they did not campaign, Toronto center the constituency I live in, we even refused them to knock on our doors, for we wanted the minister of health re-elected no questions asked, and to preach for the opposition in my constituency was a waste of time. > > Now go back to Uganda, Do you think that there is any body that can preach in > Masaka to make Buddu not elect DP? For example today, is there any one who > expects FDC not to win in urban areas? And the answer is no because FDC got > all the votes from non critical thinkers, and they all happen to be Bayaayes > who mainly dwell in urban centers. Even if you beat the lives out of them > with sticks or with facts, the Muyaye of Kampala is going to elect FDC that > is a given. Why were they elected in Northern Uganda? Because FDC played on > their agony by lying to them that he has 98% of UPDF and the armed forces > will face the movement and throw he government out. And if you look carefully > Besigye did not use that statement any where in Uganda except the areas that > were in agony with the Movement, and that happened to be Eastern Uganda and > North. Of course people were tired in those areas with the sufferings, of > curse they are smart to understand that Museveni needs an army revolt, and of course Besigye as a man that was in the army had to be trusted to be stating what he knows for he was not known to be a liar and he was a soldier. Even if you told the Northerners that a Pig will lead the army to throw out Museveni they would have elected it. There is no way you would terrorise the population in camps not to vote for who ever has the army's backing. And when you look closely, after Besigye started to be arrested day in day out and no single soldier opened up his mouth, FDC started to loose Northern Uganda for now they know him as a liar. That is why they have never won even a single by-election that is why UPC started to make wins in some areas. And that is why I state that in next election most of the votes to FDC are going to go to UPC. I would be very surprised if UPC does not become the official opposition. > > In conclusion. rigging happens in Uganda but on a much intellectual scale and > this is what I need to emphasize. The coming election is being rigged today > in Uganda, when we are sleeping. 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