Gau,
You just amuse me so much brother. Lets grow up!
Are you seriously telling us that Ugandans must possess a certain acceptable
attitude TO YOU, that appears a pliancy attitude if I may categorize, before
you can thumbs up to them?
What is at stake is the question of competition over native resources - the
Apac native resources!! Apparently they are saying NO!, and loudly, to the
Balaalos, whom to Oryema, are just "wonderers" that no Ugandans should bother
about!
That this is a question of resource allocation and access, does not seem to
ring a bell to you people. Do the people of Apac have rights over their natural
endowments, or the Balaalos have that right? Only when you answer that, then we
can know what kind of ATTITUDE you are yapping about.
PERCEPTION? Well, the people of Apac seems to know that their hands are their
hands! For, they cannot only touch and feel it; they can as well see and smell
it!! That is why they have been able to recognized not only the trespassing,
but too un-authorized access to their endowments! Peter asked, where do these
people hail from, that they cannot go back to?
How have they been living all these years, that today they are looking for
grazing land in Apac!, & Gau and Oryema okays it??
That is question # 2 for you to answer so we know the level of perception
Ugandans have, that appears so lacking, from you vantage point.
Now I am not even going to touch the so called "interpretation of law". It
ain't worth it.
If laws must be interpreted, I do think that Dr. Obote's governments, had
laws that should have been interpreted!! Ugandans have every right to reject
the NRA/M laws, just like the Mu7 rejected Dr. Obote's government laws!!
How does that sound? Oh, I got it! "You are a threat....", huh?
Grow up! You are not talking to little kiddies.
Ocii
NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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This is not good enough, Ocii. Your contrast does not hold. I believe you
did not quite understand the questions. It has nothing to do with what is after
what frontier. It has more to do with U7gandan ATTITUDE, PERCEPTION and
INTERPRETATION of the law!!!!!!!!!
Intelligent discussions, heh!? You sure never stop flattering yourself! Most
people who like intelligent debates know better than themselves not smarting
up. Take some lessons there.
Otherwise, cheers
noc'la gau
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:19:20 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Samaritan, what / who is Mulaaloo?!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [email protected]
Gau,
"what does it take a Mulaloo to become a Ugandan citizen?"
Sometime I wonder really! Do you realise that there are Ugandan Balaalos, DR.
Congo Balaalos ( Banyamulenge and Hemas); Rwandese and Burundi Balaalos?
Lets remove the Term "Mulaloo" and replace it with "Acholi", & Kenya as the
country of reference, may be then you will notce the ridiculousness of the
question. It will read:
"what does it take an Acholi to become a Kenyan citizen?"
We have Luo in Kenya, Sudan, Ethiopia, Central Africa, etc, just like
Balaalos have cousins in Uganda, DR. Congo, Rwanda, Burundi!
Why should an Acholi become a Kenyan?
Why should a Rwandese, Congolese, Burundian, Mulaalo become a Ugandan
Mulaalo? Are you suggesting that all Balaalos become Ugandans?? If so why?
These people have their homes where they used to live in, peacefully! They
cannot cause genocide in their own homes then run away to acquire citzenship
some place else! What are laws for? African cannot resort to silly immigration
policies.
If you ran away from your home, like the non-Ugandan Balaalos, for political
reasons, then you automatically become a refugee, should your claim be
accepted! You cannot become a citizen! Granting citizenship by African
governments, to an entire ethnic population, cannot obviously be the way
forward.
These Non-Ugandan Balaalos have their homes. If they screwed it up and are
now runing away from, to come to Uganda, Ugandans have every right to know why
they screwed their homes up! We cannot just grant them citizenship!
It all boils down to what did you do in your own home to force you to run
away from, before any considerations can be granted! Mind you, the Balaalos'
seeminging migration is not just about one or two member of a family running
away! This seems mass migration!
If they were not mass migrating before, then why mass migrate now??
We all want African solidarity. But encouraging flaws is not the way to go.
Ocii
Many times your logic are so wacked!
Ocii
NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Would any Samaritan out there reach out while we others shield from blood:
WHAT ARE THE LAWS OR COMBINATIONS OF, THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE FOR OR
AGAINST THE BALALOO?
I guess on the forum are scholars from our various centres of learning in
Uganda as well as our national institutions of government.
Particularly, what are the law combinations restricting a Ugandans liberty
to settlement in Uganda?
What are the provisions of immigration laws / legislation in as far as the
Balaloo are concerned?
II identify certain unrsolved factors that keep poping up in the debates :
NATIONALITY, SIZE / NUMBER , BENEFIT, LEGAL POSSESSION (RIGHT TO SELF
DETERMINATION OVER PROPERTY
Some time back, some one inquired here on the forum, what the prerequisites
for becoming a Muganda. I suppose that is just as viable now with the so called
Balaloo:
what does it take a Mulaloo to become a Ugandan citizen?
Even if I do not precisely know what these Balaloo are (at one moment the
level of humiliation is that they are pastoral Ugandan. At another, the
derogation is that they are aliens), spontaneously, I bear with Desmond & co.
Unfortunately, there are various affiliations with spectacularly vested
interest at play. Alienation of Balaloos then becomes the open denominator.
Under the surface is a whole ocean of masked vendettas like: FEDEROS,
NATIONALISTS, DEMOCRATS, TRIBALISTS, REGIONAL SECTARIANS etc.
So scholars, tell us, what is that make Balaoos non-Ugandan! What laws
restrict pastoral movements? I am aware it is not so much their settling
anywhere in Uganda but the manner they ACQUIRE the new pasture that is the
central issue. If so what is the alienation about?
My great grand father Laula Ojwang used to say, Gau every where you go, you
are a foreigner: every where you go there is people you going to meet: Dont
turn your back on the man because he comes from another land; hold out your
hands and speak.
In their days from the lines of Nyipir and Labongo, they had customarily
solved their immigration problems simplistically:
Opii en aye opii; kitino pa opii pe opii. Translated in English it
corresponds to: THE SLAVE IS A SLAVE; THE CHILDREN OF THE SLAVE ARE NOT
SLAVES
To me, a central action from the political establishment should be to
identify feasible methods.
Whilst any Ugandan is free to settle any where in Uganda, they should take
consideration of the hospitality of the native customs. They cannot just come
into some customs and want to take over instead of assimilating and together
developing the culture. In which case, the number /size of the settlers matter.
It should not be of such a proportion that the native does not contain. Equally
so, some fair contrast between the customs.
They the politicians must come out with a functional structure where the
owners of the land themselves both benefit from and initiate the settlement.
There must be viable formulae for dialogue!!
noc'la gau
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