Ocii,
first of all, I'm not a messenger of anybody. I was just correcting the
misinformation from Bwambuga about why the Kabaka requested for foreign troops,
and if you still can't see the reasons, then I'm afraid I can't help you.
Secondly, you call what I wrote propaganda and yet you can't refute any of the
facts apart from saying that YOU would know (were you his henchman ?). That
Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution and wrest all powers is rather
puerile ? Well, didn't he overthrow the constitution and grab all powers ?
What's puerile about that ?
It seems to me you want to argue about things you don't know anything about. I
put it to you that Kabaka Mutesa II was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda
Army,(i.e. before Obote grabbed all powers and took over this post as well). I
never spoke about Chief of Staff, which is a completely different post. You
better check your facts again.
Kasangwawo.
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:37:29 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd:
Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: [email protected]
Kasangwawo,
As a messagner of Kabaka Mutesa, and someone who read his book, I thought you
would be in position to let readers know these reasons, other than attempting
to spew pure propaganda, that false short of satisfying readers you are trying
to convince. To claim that Dr. Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution, to
wrestle all powers to himself is rather puerile. For some of us, we would know
WHY Dr. Obote was trying to overthrow the constitution and wrestle all powers
onto himself!
As per the same question, Kasangwawo you understood me very well! Correct I am
questioning the "Chief of Staff" status of the Kabaka then, as the "President"
of a newly independent Ugandan, of which the Prime Minister, was the most
powerful! Much like the Canadian Prime Minister is more powerful than the
Governor General, a position an Haitian born woman is now holding.
Ociijonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now
questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your
other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said,
maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of
what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo.
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd:
Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: [email protected]
Kasangwawo,
Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka
Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to
even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that
the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial?
Second, you wrote: "In his book (the correct name is "Desecration of my
kingdom"), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his
capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops
was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was
an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on
overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself."
Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the
constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who
read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it??
I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation.
Waiting.
Ociijonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming
up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about
what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is
a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by
any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly
like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no
wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take
long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is
"Desecration of my kingdom"), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons
why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The
request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the
contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was
bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to
himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were
secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this
illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his
hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there
was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa,
as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had
authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The
Kabaka states in the book that when he requested for foreign troops, he was
thinking about something similar to the intervention Obote had initiated 2
years before this incident. Hopefully you are aware that in 1964 Obote had
invited British troops to quell a mutiny by Uganda soldiers in Jinja who,
incidentally, were not attempting to take over the country but rather were just
demanding for higher pay. This he did without informing the President who was
Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army. It appears this was his modus operandi.
In any case, Obote used this incident to sack some soldiers and promote those
he wanted in control to carry out his illegal manipulations, among them the
then Major Idi Amin. If you want to learn more about this go to the following
link: http://www.federo.com/index.php?id=144The claim that Obote's regime wired
money to the Kabaka when he was in exile in London is also a myth, without an
iota of truth. There is concrete evidence that Obote's government kept on
protesting about the treatment they thought the British were giving to the
Kabaka (Obote felt they were still treating him as king by refering to him as
Kabaka). The British govt. on the other hand was not ready to support the
Kabaka financially or otherwise, leaving him to rely on support of friends -
they were even pressurizing him to sell his property back home in Buganda in
order for him to survive. In short, they viewed him as a burden. In these
circumstances, the British would not mind anyone giving him support, as long as
it wasn't them. Therefore, for you to claim that they were concerned about the
Uganda government wiring him money, is an outright lie. The only proposal
Obote's government was ready to consider was the remittance of private funds
(from the sale of Kabaka's property) to England for Sir Edward. Kasangwawo.
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:46:42 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)B
Wambuga2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT)From: B Wambuga2 <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>Subject: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To:
Ugandans At Heart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC: Bwambuga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
“Buganda should forget Dr. Obote, who has long departed to join his creator,
and move on with what is here to be done if they are to avoid becoming
irrelevant in the Ugandan context.”
My friend Abbey Semuwembo,
Your article was great in your attempt to place the blame on Dr. Milton Obote’s
door steps. I was indeed intrigued by it since one of the problems we are
having in Uganda is not so much the presence of people like Milton Obote
amongst us, but rather rewriters of Ugandan history camouflaged in their
unquenchable thirst to paint Mr. Obote such terrible negative pictures. Let me
quickly mention here that if Dr. Obote was really that stupid and dump, how
could the whole Buganda Kabaka in the person of Sir Fredderick Edward Mutesa
accept to join hands with him and form the first post colonial Uganda
Government knowing well that the historical turn would determine the fate of a
virgin country like Uganda. And more, if Dr. Obote was really such an imbecile,
how could he have convinced all those “intelligent” Ugandans at the turn of
Uganda’s political history and work his way into becoming the Prime Minister of
Uganda with a gun shot, live alone any weapon for that matter. It all goes to
say that DR. Milton Obote was a brain to recon with. I swear that if Museveni
had existed then, with his militaristic mannerism, the British would not have
granted Buganda and Uganda Independence at the time when they did it.
Let me now get the second point as food for thought for you here, Kabaka Sir
Frederick Edward Mutesa II admits and mentions it in his own words in his book,
“The of my Kingdom”, that he sought for military ware from the British
Government who turned it down. SO he went elsewhere to get the weaponry. His
ultimate motive was to start a war if need be. To this therefore, he sought for
an approval from the Lukiiko to legitimize his actions. That is why the Lukiiko
had to pass it and request the Uganda Government to move out of Buganda. What
you continue not to mention in your skewed argument is that, Amin, who was the
commander of the Army at the time, was already well aware of the animosity that
some Baganda had on him, and there was also the talk about him being censured
for his participation in the mutiny in the army in Jinja in particular.
Secondly Amin was already aware also that his actions in subduing the Sudanese
rebels in Southern Sudan, and the massacre he carried out in Kenya when he was
sent to recapture and return the stolen cattle from the Kenyan Turkana, were
issues already coming out in the parliament of Uganda. Let me also mention that
one of the reasons for the mutiny in Magamaga was because of the fear that the
Amins were having, including Tito Okello, about the eminent retrenchment in the
Army following a parliamentary advice to the Government to professionalize the
Uganda Armed services.
Now, you say Dr. Obote breached the 1962 Constitution, which constitution was
already in trouble because there was a section of the Baganda who were already
calling it the “ebbiyoya bya enswa”. The constitution was already headed for a
crisis within Buganda, since it emphasized the supremacy of Uganda as an entity
in the new country. The Kabaka wanted to have both his roles reflected in the
Constitution of Uganda. There were people who then suggested and preferred the
creation of a country where the interest of all Ugandans could be taken care of
inclusively under the same flag. Some Baganda then realized that they were not
going to have their way if those people won. And this was already very likely.
Let me mention here again very quickly that the reason Dr. Obote was overthrown
by the military twice is because he was not a war monger let alone his
principle of not mixing the military with national politics. Mr. Obote was a
man who believed that differences could be resolved by debate and discussion.
That was why he liked the parliamentary debates like his baby. Unlike Museveni
who only shows up in parliament when he is coming to push something down the
throats of Ugandans. Dr. Obote may have his short-comings as a person like all
of us, but using the military to score a political goal was not his
alternative. That was why he could be overthrown by the military but not
defeated in a debate. Museveni could not win by his rebel activity in Luweero;
he owes his success to the Okellos. Actually you could see the involvement of
some Baganda in the Luweero misadventure as a continuation of the plans of some
people in the Lubiri in 1966. But to get back to the attack on Lubiri, and in
the light of my points about Amin and co. it was therefore carried out on
Amin’s orders. Dr. Obote only deployed the special force to go to, first, have
Amin withdraw the army back into the barracks, and then have the special police
force calm down the situation and restore order. In that confusion, and since
you could not tell who was who, Dr. Obote himself apologetically says that
regrettably, chaos ensued and people were killed. Unfortunately, the did had
already been done by Amin, and the Kabaka had already fled. In an attempt to
redress the unfortunate incident, Dr. Obote then tries to get in touch with the
Kabaka while he was still in Kigali to no avail. The Uganda Government did not
stop his allowances from being sent to him later wherever he was. The Kabaka
eventually settles in London and the Government continues to wire his
allowances there. It was after the concern of the British Government that how
could Sir Frederick Edward Mutesa II justify his claims of prosecution when he
was continuing to receive money from the same Government that allegedly was
persecuting him, that the funds were finally stopped.
As for the mutiny you referred to, I have already given you a quick synopsis
about it. Remember that the non-commissioned army personnel and other armed
officers were being paid minimal pay sine they did not fall anywhere in the
Ugandan Civil Service pay structure. Some of them complained that they should
be paid like other civil servants since they were also working for the same
government. Meanwhile, the citizenship of some these people were also under
review. So you are talking about so many issues that the new Government at the
time had to deal with, and from scratch mark you. They were dealing with
everything from scratch, with no previous experience and/or record to deal
with. Forget about Museveni coming to power with an elaborate record keeping
and civil service procedures.
On the issue of the tribes in Uganda, and their sizes, I think you better
revise your history about that. Each of those East African countries have not
only huge tribes in themselves, but several diverse peoples that Uganda just
looks a baby. Take for example, the Luo of Kenya who out number the Baganda in
Uganda. Then take the Kukuyu who out numbet all the westerners of Uganda put
together, if you want take also the Meru of Kenya, which is a small tribe by
the way, they are the size of Buganda, live the Masai alone. Go to Tanzania,
you will even be more shocked. Uganda at the end has the least population in
the whole of East Africa. So saying that tribalism in Uganda in such a
difficult thing to deal with is an indication of the exact nature of the
problems we are dealing with: absolute ignorance and outright stupidity. Some
Baganda, with their uninformed beliefs think exactly like that to the detriment
of the entire respectable Buganda community. There are Baganda out there who
are truly Ugandan in their perspective, and they have benefited tremendously
from their advanced perspective of the Ugandan experience.
On the issue of how Museveni has handled Buganda, let me say this, Museveni is
a very intelligent student of Dr. Obote’s. Remember I said earlier how Dr.
Obote regretted the Lubiri incident, there is therefore, no way Museveni would
go along that road. In any case, there is no body else who is interested in
pursuing that line like Amin personally had it. More so, the external factors
that were interested in pursuing that line no longer hold anything against
anybody in Uganda. Those external factors who had earlier granted Buganda
independence in a hurry well knowing that it did not solve the Buganda question
knew that that was an issue they would use later to continue to exert control
over Uganda, which indeed they did. Now fourty years latter, and satisfied that
they have achieved what they wanted, viz, make Buganda royalty pay for its
stubbornness, they are not interested anymore in the issue. Buganda is a non
issue to them now, it is history, and this is rude to say the least.
My friend Mr. Semuwembo, some of your points are just meant to justify the
hatred you harbour for Dr. Obote, and they are not going to resolve any of the
recurrent problems of Uganda. For instance the issue of the Government not
employing Lawyers because all of them were Baganda, or Betty and Kyanjo are not
put in jail because Museveni is more whatever than Dr. Obote, **&%$ it; I think
all that is mere crap. I mean today as you and I write, the high court is still
complaining about the number of judges, we have “safe houses” all over Uganda
where Ugandans are being forced to share space with snakes and crocodiles, etc
etc, I wonder whether it is still Dr. Obote’s ghost in charge? Traders in
Kisseka Market are striking because of Museveni’s policy; did you hear anything
like that under Dr. Obote? Tear gas was introduced in Uganda for the first time
under Museveni, do Ugandans deserve that when all they are asking for is simply
to have the right to protect their God given inalienable rights? I swear that
Kabaka Mutebi is a much better Ugandan to run the Uganda affairs than Museveni,
and I do not understand why instead of Baganda vigorously pursue for his
leadership as the President of Uganda so that Buganda can have its way in the
Ugandan general context people like you Semuwemba are wasting time hating Dr.
Obote and praising Museveni. If Buganda cannot solidly define their
aspirations, or better yet if the Betty’s and Kyanjo’s who are parliamentarians
cannot realize they could use the august house to push for the Buganda agenda,
like the westerners have done so under Museveni, they should just shut up and
stop wasting the time of their people. All their struggles and political
innuendos will be nothing but “ebbiyoya bya enswa”. Buganda should forget Dr.
Obote, who has long departed to join his creator, and move on with what is here
to be done if they are to avoid becoming irrelevant in the Ugandan context.
They are continuously beating the drums whose sound has long died away. No body
is listening anymore. Whether Dr. Obote was right or wrong, it is of no
consequence now. Let those who are still serious about the secession get down
to real work and get the task done. Let those northern folks alone now; you got
the seat of leadership; use it now to get what you want. Other rest your case
and let Ugandans live in peace. UPC is here, and it is here to stay because it
was a movement started by Ugandans for Uganda and in Uganda. Museveni tried all
possible means to kill it but Uganda People’s Congress has defied all logic of
doom Sayers. And Mr. Semuwemba will be shocked at the number of Baganda who
support UPC when the moment of truth comes in Uganda.
FOR GOD MY COUNTRY
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