10} Federalism is built on money transfer from the have provinces to un-have
provinces, do you see Acholi writing a check every month to Buganda or vice
versa?
Yes; there is more than possibility that Acholi will be writing cheques to
sustain Buganda, why i say this is because economics, like the weather does
change. Jinja used to be the engine or the manufacturing base of Uganda but it
has now jiggers to show for it. I will not go into the reason why , but the
fact still remain that it has gone down in the rankings. Similarly, Luwero your
home town used to survive because of it's proximity to Bombo barracks and the
buses that plied the northern route but now, Luwero has grown so much
economically and could easily write a cheque to far flung regions like Rakai.
Equally, time will come when Acholi will be the economic hub of Uganda because
the potential is there. So that is blind fear.
=========================
I apologize for I have been too busy to go after this posting, but let me start
on it and with time I will be done. First of all I am not even worried as to
whether the economy will change or not, what I am really worried about in this
point is honesty. Acholi have done a whole lot of damage to themselves in
Buganda, do you honestly see a minister of finance in Buganda cutting that
cheque every month? To what benefit to Buganda? But are you saying that Acholi
actually have looted every property in Buganda and taken it to Acholi, can
have the nerve/audacity to now come back and take a cheque again from the very
same people they looted those properties from? Do they regard Baganda to be
that naïve? Now in your delusional Federalism, are you expecting me to pay my
taxes to Mengo, so that Mengo pays Acholi in the fund when I am having new
furniture today because Acholi packed all my belongings on a Tata truck and
took it to Gulu? Akim Odong Acholi do no believe into equalization they believe
into packing things onto an army truck and ship it to Acholi. And if I reach
that delusional situation of yours where Mengo wants me to pay the taxes to
build Acholi I will personally refuse to pay my taxes to Mengo for I see
absolutely no benefit into that equalization sr.
And that is the danger of your reasoning for you are exactly as Barigye that
refused to recognize that Acholi violence has left so much damage in Uganda,
that everyone is working on nothing but to stop their coming back. We do not
need Acholi back into barracks, we do not need them in army units, we do not
need them in Police units, we do not need them holding guns, we do not need
them raping our wives, we do not need then creating massacres, kindly do not
turn around to ask me for taxes to them for equalization crap. And if
Federalism is of that value for us to build Acholi, then let Buganda ceased.
There has to be a point when some of us say enough is enough. And personally I
believe there is no Godly justification for the people of Ombacci paying taxes
so that the leadership in Arua pays into the fund to build Acholi. Why? It is
psychologically abusive, morally wrong but emotionally un understandable for
anyone to march to Ombaci with a collection bag, to the survivors of Acholi
massacre and ask them for money to build Kitgum. Don’t go there, do not falter
thinking that cheaply but do not even dare. And that is why it is so important
to understand the damage you friends have done in our country, before you walk
into our houses selling crap like federalism. The country is deeply damaged,
people are crying and you need to understand that, before you start to sell
your antidote of Federalism. Akim Odong the situation in our country is not as
simplistic as you pretend it to be.
Slowly I will respond to your entire writing.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:39 PM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
Mulindwa;
I will attempt to answer some of your questions and i hope it will go to
convince you that the system works.
10} Federalism is built on money transfer from the have provinces to un-have
provinces, do you see Acholi writing a check every month to Buganda or vice
versa?
Yes; there is more than possibility that Acholi will be writing cheques to
sustain Buganda, why i say this is because economics, like the weather does
change. Jinja used to be the engine or the manufacturing base of Uganda but it
has now jiggers to show for it. I will not go into the reason why , but the
fact still remain that it has gone down in the rankings. Similarly, Luwero your
home town used to survive because of it's proximity to Bombo barracks and the
buses that plied the northern route but now, Luwero has grown so much
economically and could easily write a cheque to far flung regions like Rakai.
Equally, time will come when Acholi will be the economic hub of Uganda because
the potential is there. So that is blind fear.
9} How will you Federate again Acholi with West Nile people they forced into a
massacre as Ombacci?
Rapprochement between the two tribes took place donkey years ago and business
is thriving between the two tribes. I send my staff with Arua boys to Pakwack
without flinching that it is the wrong old guys ferrying it. So quit that but
bury that fear.
7} Federalism is the crown of democracy, Canada used that system after they
were respecting laws, Ontarians were not decapitating Nova Scotians, and if you
killed anyone the law was at your door. Your using Federalism as a democratic
panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional.
You're right. Federalism is the crown of democracy. Your using Federalism as a
democratic panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional. Wapi!
6} If the entire country is divisible, why isn’t Buganda divisible so that we
get two or three federal states in Buganda due to its size?
Mulindwa; from time immemorial, Buganda has been divided in many forms. Along
clan, Szaza, counties, district demarcations to mention but a few. I have
stated a trillion times here that UFA is going to let the people decide on the
model of federalism and this includes sizes, division, population etc. The one
thing that i would recommend is that, Kampala will remain an independent state,
so that it remains the administration capital. I know there will be objections
but there political compromise can always be reached.
3} If we are abandon unitary for Uganda is too big to be lead from Kampala
isn’t Buganda also too big to be lead from Mengo?
Refer to answer 6.
1} Changing Uganda from Unitary to Federal is a political issue than cultural
issue, remove Mengo from it entirely then you will start to make sense.
I agree entirely and i believe it will not be the first in the world.
b} Will it be a political structure in Buganda? Ofcourse it will be a
political structure! If so shouldn’t have you started by building that
structure before you sold Federalism? No, that is putting the egg before the
chicken.If you create it who will be the boss of the other? The elected
political structure in Buganda or Ssabassajja in Mengo?
The political structure will be headed by the political leader and Mengo by
the Kabaka; all with distinct roles. And it will not be the first in the world.
5} If Baganda love federalism why have they refused to support political
party’s like Kabaka Yekka which would have defended the interests of Buganda in
Parliament?
Federalism is not about Buganda but about Uganda. We have de-Bugandanised
federalism. The Baganda people are independent politically and its not fair to
suggest that they would all follow the same party. I can assure you that there
are Baganda, for instance, who do not take the monarchy to heart so, drop that
crap of homogeneity in political allegiance.
And do not lose sight of the fact that religion in Baganda is a factor one
cannot ignore.
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Sekajja
Discussing Uganda federalism is not a new topic, there are men that even packed
their things and flew to Uganda for now Museveni is going to write a new
constitution that will change Uganda from a unitary system to a Federal system,
WBK is among those that packed. I base my argument on common sense facts that
have failed to be common to all living in this illusion.
1} Changing Uganda from Unitary to Federal is a political issue than cultural
issue, remove Mengo from it entirely then you will start to make sense.
2} How will Buganda benefit from this political change when it has failed to
create a political structure to sell it?
3} If we are abandon unitary for Uganda is too big to be lead from Kampala
isn’t Buganda also too big to be lead from Mengo?
4} What will lead Buganda?
{a} Will it is be Mengo? If the answer to that question is yes then you are
walking back to the 1966 crisis of turning Mengo into a cultural but a
political entity which will never work and the kingdom will again become the
victim
{b} Will it be a political structure in Buganda? If so shouldn’t have you
started by building that structure before you sold Federalism? If you create it
who will be the boss of the other? The elected political structure in Buganda
or Ssabassajja in Mengo?
5} If Baganda love federalism why have they refused to support political
party’s like Kabaka Yekka which would have defended the interests of Buganda in
Parliament?
6} If the entire country is divisible, why isn’t Buganda divisible so that we
get two or three federal states in Buganda due to its size?
7} Federalism is the crown of democracy, Canada used that system after they
were respecting laws, Ontarians were not decapitating Nova Scotians, and if you
killed anyone the law was at your door. Your using Federalism as a democratic
panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional.
8} How are you going to federate people like Acholi and Langi that are even
uncomfortable to sit with each other in a very simple political party as UPC?
9} How will you Federate again Acholi with West Nile people they forced into a
massacre as Ombacci?
10} Federalism is built on money transfer from the have provinces to un-have
provinces, do you see Acholi writing a check every month to Buganda or vice
versa?
I would have loved to continue with the unanswered questions but some of us
have jobs and I gotta go.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:56 AM
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
EM,
We have to come to learn one thing about you. You don't shy away from topics,
even when they are out of your "league". It does not matter if your
contribution will adds nothing of substance, you will at least try to convolute
the subject, Add value to a discussion, rather than thinking just jumping in
and making stale statements.
Of course we may not have federalism for next 100 or even 1000 years (to please
you!!!), but at what cost??? Well, I can tell the cost, - stagnation, political
chaos, backwardness, bad government, corruption, and tribal conflict. The
majority of Ugandans will live in chronic poverty, including your own Nubi/
Lugbara people.
What are your suggestions on how we move the country forward? Try and
think!!!!!! As you enjoy freedoms in Canada, a federal state, the Nubi/ Lugbara
in West Nile want the same freedoms.
I suggested that you all read about how federalism functions in Canada,
Switzerland, and how the European Union works. Don't forget to read Gregory
Fossedal's Direct Democracy in Switzerland. Please don't just jump in!!!!!!'
You remind me of some of my students, who always felt they had to answer a
question, even if they had no clue what the answer should be!!!!!!! Add value
or just read what others are contributing. I think people like Ocen and Dr
Kayondo are adding value to this discussion, albeit meeting better value from
the federalists.
I believe strongly unlike you, Mr Mulindwa, that I will see Uganda federalise
in my life time. More voices are joining us in a quest of a lasting solution
for peace!!!
Ssekajja
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jun 2015, at 06:44, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Friends
Do you realize how Akim Odong runs from factual postings? The one where I told
him we were to turn barrackses into learning centers but export guns out of
Uganda, that never arrived on his screen. It is strange how these friends want
to tie the country into violence, thank God they will never make it, for I do
not see a UPC government back in power as I do not see Uganda becoming a
Federal state in the next 100 years.
Take a term illusion and paste it on your door.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:49 AM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
Gwokto;
You have been away for far too long. That is how everybody in Uganda speaks.
worst of it all, every body now wants to speak like Mu7 with too much
hesitation, too much rrrrs, to many anecdotes and never seriously bringing a
sentence to completion without an unfitting joke of sort. We are used to it!
Akim
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
....... withdraws support for controversial structure
<http://www.youtube.com/embed/QqkbxhBQPJM>
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