On Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 07:09:01PM +0100, Stephen Wilcox wrote:
> Go to a national carrier with access to exchanges such as SSE or COLT, you
> will be paying a high fee for the BTOR component but at least finding
> someone in the area who can backhaul should help minimise that piece of it.

It's certainly off-net for SSE - we use them for a lot of stuff, but their
only presence in Wales in at Cardiff (or possibly Swansea).

BTOR component should be no more than UKP 4440/year for an EAD1000-LA, and
I've been getting quotes of between 15k and 30k/year - so the majority of
cost is in the backhaul.
 
> Doing it that way it will end up the same price whether its Manchester or
> London you go back with anyway so at least you can haul it all the way to a
> good handoff point for yourself...

True, but 'alternative' providers might only be in one or the other.

> Other than that the only "Alternative" I have is to tell your client to
> move to somewhere better connected .. I hear Cardiff is about to be the
> Next Big Thing... :)

The silly thing is, I can probably unbundle Aberystwyth exchange, and get 
backhaul via Cardiff, for less than some carriers want for me to use their
network.

Surf Telecoms cover the south coast of Wales, and others cover the north coast,
but I'm struggling to find people who do the west coast.

Simon

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