I agree with Simon – industry absolutely want change – just not the same change…
Regards, Neil. On 22/05/2018 10:57, "Simon Woodhead" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: [https://tr.cloudmagic.com/h/v6/emailtag/tag/2.0/1526983024/82bd4780379fbca825983e706ad2da9d/21/0ecdc3c7d3bcacd2cae2cd6c1430b4aa/c979bf83954e11da42ee187a3e4faa31/2f7ea621ff1d555a5e3b84bb084dcfc3/newton.gif]Hi Darren I wouldn’t presume the industry is anything other than desperate for a sensible solution to porting. The present embarrassment is causing massive consumer harm and facilitating re-monopolisation when combined with other rocks Ofcom is reluctant to look under. There’s a number of ways of interpreting the last attempt to do so, but that industry doesn’t want it is not the correct one IMHO. I believe you’d find a lot of support in attempting to do it collaboratively. Cheers W -- [https://simwood.com/assets/email/simon.png] SIMON WOODHEAD Founder and CEO [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> +44 330 122 3000 www.simwood.com<https://www.simwood.com> Simwood eSMS Limited, Simwood House, Cube M4 Business Park, Old Gloucester Road, Bristol, BS16 1FX, United Kingdom Registered in England 03379831 Simwood Inc., 301 Union St. #21445, Seattle, WA 98111, United States [Simwood] On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:37, Neil J. McRae <[email protected]> wrote: Darren, I think once upon a time that would have been a valuable thing to do but in today’s glorious digital world - let’s face it; phone numbers are the telecommunications equivalent of Woolworth’s. You want a phone number after you’ve tried to whatsapp, facebook messenger or email- you google it; you use a phone number often - you store it in your phone and forget it; or someone miss-calls you so you can store it, you want to phone your grandkids and you use facetime… The only folks who use phone numbers are irritating sales people who have your number from linked in and want to know if you are going to some bizarre conference in Middlesbrough or that they have a solution for GDPR (!) In my personal view we should be figuring out how we rid the planet of phone numbers. Cheers, Neil. On 22/05/2018 09:26, "Darren Storer" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi All, Personally I have always been disappointed by industry resistance to an "all call query" (central IN) number portability solution, as implemented in Holland (COIN) or even an intermediate "query on release strategy". The lack of a central number portability solution makes legislation tricky to keep up with and impacts the user experience. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/content/number-portability Regards Darren ________________________________ From: uknof <[email protected]> on behalf of Neil J. McRae <[email protected]> Sent: 22 May 2018 07:47 To: Tim Bray Cc: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [uknof] BT Phone Number renumbering Emails like this make me chuckle when we are the biggest VoIP provider in the country ;) We typically don’t port numbers or use premium rate numbers in the way being requested on the PSTN for a variety of reasons - the biggest one being the ability to make inbound signalling work which requires a lot of effort for single numbers and causes billing and other challenges and a lot of these are mostly not within our control. And yes we’ve started to path to turn off PSTN. Neil. Sent from my iPhone > On 21 May 2018, at 15:26, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 21/05/18 11:24, David Derrick wrote: >> >> Why faff about getting the pretty number on the PSTN line? I assume >> the Tamar Telecom number is a VoIP one, why not use the VoIP service >> properly? Or port the number to a VoIP provider if it isn't. > > > I suspect, in theory, porting a number into BT is possible. I suspect, > in theory, it is possible without the broadband line being disconnected > in the process. You might even be able to migrate the broadband or > convert to FTTC in the future without a mess up. > > I suspect in practice, you are asking for something not done very often. > That nobody really knows how to do. And that it will give you hassle > forever. > > Why not just leave it on a forward to the existing PSTN number, and pay > the less than 1p a minute. (and hopefully a provider with no minimum > call charge). > > IMHO, you are much better having the number you really care about > sitting with a VoIP provider (as in, not BT). > > I bet with the right voice provider, you could even Carrier preselect on > outbound calls, and set the CLI to the one you want. Again, will cost a > little bit, but not much in the whole scheme of things. > > > I also have a view point. Ported numbers never seem to be quite as > reliable (for inbound calls) as a native number from your provider's (or > their preferred upstream) allocation. > > ***** > > Why did you order a BT-Net line? I presume not related to above? > > > Tim > ________________________________ ****************************************************************************************************************** For more information visit www.ofcom.org.uk This email (and any attachments) is confidential and intended for the use of the addressee only. 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