Happy New Year Job! My question for clarification is anchored in presentation of the facts given in the email and that it’s a called a “deployathon”, in my vocabulary that means:
deploy “bring into effective action.” athon “forming nouns denoting an action or activity which is carried on for a very long time or on a very large scale, ” I’m not apologising for questioning something that history has shown that large scale routing configuration changes have caused significant impact to the Internet, its users and our collective customers, and given the description of the environment, i.e. being at a vendors office. Sorry but when I put those things together it sounds to me - crazy, engaging in an educational event is obviously not crazy Job and I’m sure I didn’t say that either but I thought I’d ask for clarification. Incase it isn’t crazy and you’ve thought of all the risks and issues that this might create, I think I’m more worried by your reply ☹ I find equally, that it doesn’t sit well with me that in a shared accountability system like the global routing system that one can’t ask for clarification when it looks like something that might risk such a critical shared resource not only the potential risks that might generate owing to the “deployathon” but also for those whom then may have a problem afterwards where they may not have the support to resolve, and by your own email looks to be more focused on about deployment at any cost to hit a league table score that three people in the world find interesting rather than being focused on how many people could be certified or licensed to operate to roll this out effectively, with the right risk controls and deliver much more benefit to the Internet community. I wonder how many railway signalling engineers are trained on the job when the trains are running? Cheers, Neil. From: Job Snijders <[email protected]> Date: Friday, 11 January 2019 at 08:59 To: Neil McRae <[email protected]> Cc: Vesna Manojlovic <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [uknof] Join the RPKI Deployathon, 7-8. March 2019, Amsterdam Hi Neil, Your criticism seems anchored around some assumptions on how the participants operate their networks; but whatever their methods, participants are adults and autonomously operate their own network. Perhaps I’m misreading you, but you seem to suggest that people are “crazy” for participating in an event which designed to be an educational opportunity, that doesn’t sit well with me. I expect newcomers to work in their lab, a virtual lab, or on a select few EBGP sessions suitable for experimentation. People sharing and talking about real world configurations has proven to be quite valuable in the NLNOG community. It’s shows, because the Netherlands currently is firmly #1 in RPKI adoption. Kind regards, Job Ps. Alternatively, can you lead the way and show us how to deploy RPKI? Thanks! :-) On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 21:41, Neil J. McRae <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Is this really a thing? We are going to get a lot of engineers together in one place and do a mass fiddle with the worlds critical routing BGP infrastructure training session on a lot of varied autonomous systems in the same location (I guess in band!) At the same time? Am I alone in reaching for the animated crazy.gif on this one? Or am I (animated hopeful.gif) mis-understanding? Neil Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Jan 2019, at 08:25, Vesna Manojlovic > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > The RIPE NCC and Juniper Networks are co-hosting the first > RPKI deployathon - a two-day event which will bring together > network professionals to work on practical aspects of routing security. > > We are looking for participants who want to learn about RPKI > (Resource Public Key Infrastructure), and wish to receive some hands-on > assistance while deploying it. > > Specifically, we are looking for: > > * network operators with access to routers > * network engineers from all possible backgrounds > (Enterprise, ISP, CDN, Content Providers, etc.) > * & administration staff that have access to the RIPE NCC’s LIR portal > > You do not need to have prior knowledge or experience on routing > security to attend the deployathon. Please apply if you would like to > learn, specially if your learning style is "learning-by-doing" and > team-work. The event is free of charge. > > -------------------- > How to Apply > -------------------- > > Interested? Apply online today: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/apply/rpki-deployathon-amsterdam/ > > > *The application deadline is 29th January* > > Find out more on RIPE Labs: > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/becha/join-the-amsterdam-rpki-deployathon-2019 > > Warm regards, > > Vesna Manojlovic > Community Builder > RIPE NCC > > > Summary: > > * Date and Time: 7 - 8 March 2019, 9:00 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=and+Time:+7+-+8+March+2019,+9:00+&entry=gmail&source=g> > - 17:00 CET > > * Location: Juniper Networks (Amsterdam Office), Boeing Avenue 240, > Schiphol-Rijk > > * Deadline for applications: 29 January 2019 > > >
