I think I will begin discussion with my thoughts on the Early Sunday  morning 
poem and Edward Hopper's artwork. First off, I apologize for the typo in  the 
first sentence...it should say "it opens with a poem about Edward Hopper's  
painting."  
 
I spent a lot of time in the early part of this chapter and was intrigued  by 
the interplay between the poem and the painting. I have always been a  fan of 
poetry---the skill of a poet to say more with less---the powerful  word 
choices that poems require make it, to me, the most powerful of  genres.
 
 The poem really helped me to understand the picture... phrases of the  poem 
still echo in my mind... "Somewhere someone may be practicing a  flute...but 
not here..." "faceless windows"  "awnings rolled up" It all  contributes to the 
mood---emptiness, loneliness. But even more powerful, for me  was the idea of 
"the sun that again is right on time...but I do not believe the  day is going 
to be hot."  It just seems to lead me to this idea that many  of us in 
society are doing what is expected yet feel empty...day after day  the sun 
rises yet 
it doesn't make things warm...is that symbolic for  society--not fulfilling 
our promise, our potential?   
 
Ellin tells us that the poem affected her too...it led her to listen as she  
looked at Hopper's work. I too found myself listening... I actually ran a 
search  on Hopper because I wanted to see these paintings in color.
 One difference between my thinking and Ellin's came as I viewed  "Hotel by 
the Railroad." 
_http://hirshhorn.si.edu/dynamic/collection_images/full/66.2507.jpg_ 
(http://hirshhorn.si.edu/dynamic/collection_images/full/66.2507.jpg) 
 
Ellin hears in the silence the woman's slippered foot, the sound of the man  
smoking. Ellin feels that it appears he will say nothing to the woman. All I 
can  hear is the man's thoughts...frantic..."What can I say so she will hear me 
this  time? Is it worth trying again? Should I even bother? I have to reach 
her...make  her see..."  The quiet and the calm are the woman's---her 
indifference. He  looks still, but is far from calm. He is looking away so he 
doesn't  
have to see her indifference...looking at the train is easier than having to  
face the life he is living. It is easier to think that he might be able to say 
 something that will reach her if he isn't face to face with her 
indifference.  When you see the painting in color, you realize that the woman 
and the man 
in  this painting are older. How long has the man been in such pain? What has  
happened between the two of them? Is her indifference her own way of dealing  
with some unimaginable pain? Again, the theme to me appears to be loss...the  
loss of what might have been...disappointment in unfulfilled expectations.
 
I sit here, at the computer, wondering where all this came from? I have a  
few great museums nearby here in Baltimore and Washington DC and have had  many 
opportunities to see some great works of art...some Picasso, DaVInci  
drawings...I have been awed before, moved emotionally, but never drawn in to 
the  art 
in such a way that I am creating the story...the world in the painting...  
like I am with these works by Hopper. I think that the poem is so powerful to 
me  
because it seems like John Stone, in writing the poem, seems to be using his  
writing to understand the painting. We are let in on his struggle in a 
powerful  way and we seem to be brought into dialogue with him.
 
This interplay, between the poem and the art seems to me to be about  
dialogue...one artist talking to another and to us. And while this chapter is  
about 
dwelling in ideas...using silence to think, there is still dialogue in my  
head, between the poet and the painter and me. The dimension of understanding,  
"Dwelling in ideas" requires time to be silent....but as I am here in the  
silence of my basement, writing to all of you, what is going on in my head is  
far 
from silence! :-)
I think I really like Hopper's work...though I must say all that I have  
looked at and thought about may send me spinning into a midlife crises if I  
don't 
watch out! ;-)
Jennifer
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/26/2008 8:24:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

*   Chapter four is titled "Dwelling in ideas" and it opens  with a poem 
about  Edward Hopper's poem Early Sunday Morning. As we  began our  
discussion, 
I suggested that we try to be  metacognitive  ourselves...what are we doing 
to 
understand as we  read? What were  you thinking about as you read/studied and 
tried to  understand these  works of art?  As Ellin shares her  
interpretations, 
what were you  thinking about? Do you see/hear the  same things? What do you 
think of Hopper's  work? What do we have to  learn as teachers of 
reading/thinking? 







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