Hmmm...
While I agree that it is possible to not be able to name the text structure  
and yet still understand the article... I am thinking there is power in being  
able to identify a text structure when you are struggling to understand a 
piece  of text. If you know how it is organized, you might make better sense of 
 i
t!

We are in the middle of a content literacy initiative in our  
district---three years of inservice total---, K-12. I am proud our district  is 
working on 
this in a long-term, connected fashion. Last year we did  quite a bit with text 
structure. At that time, I felt that it was less important  for students to be 
able to look at a piece of text and identify its structure,  than for them to 
realize that nonfiction text was organized differently and  required 
different strategies in order to understand it. I had worked with kids  and had 
them 
notice how particular texts were organized, but they named the  organizational 
structure, not me. 
 
Now I am rethinking that...and I am not sure what to do about teaching text  
structures. After reading To Understand and listening to Ellin, I realize 
there  is power in giving the kids a consistent language to use to discuss 
their  
reading.  This is why I am struggling with this main idea issue. My  kids 
named the text structures themselves last year...they noticed that a text  had 
the 
most important info first OR that the text was organized by date, but I  
never taught them that a particular text structure was chronological or main  
idea 
or whatever. Now I know the language we use is important when  working with 
students. Ellin even recommended teaching the names for the three  deep and 
surface structure systems to kids in order to help them talk about  their 
reading. Would I have done better to have named these structures for kids?  I 
am 
still working this out in my head...
 
SO...here is where I am now. If I am teaching kids text structures, do I  
teach main idea as a text structure,name it for them, knowing full  well that 
many of the things kids read in schools is organized this way....and  that they 
may have a better understanding of what they read on tests and in  books/texts 
written for little children? I also know full well that reading is  an 
interactive process between reader and text and I worry that by teaching  the 
text 
structure of main idea I may be misleading kids into thinking there  really is 
a 
single correct main idea rather than several important ideas that  depend 
upon our purpose for reading? 
 
I guess I need to trust that my students will get this if I explain it  
clearly ---they always surprise me with what they can understand...
I am getting completely muddled now!
Yikes! 
Jennifer
 
In a message dated 7/30/2008 9:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  remember that article, Jennifer, but I don't recall exactly how it was 
written  either.  Is that a clue to us that it is irrelevant?  I don't feel  
like 
I have to know that text structure to have understood that article.   Of 
course reading it ftom different points of view  was terribly  vavluable.  
Purpose.  It has to go back to purpose.  Why do we  ask what the main idea is?  
Why 
can't we ask what you learned, or what  that article said to you?  Is main idea 
 essential?

Nancy








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