At 04:59 AM 11/10/2003, John Cowan wrote:

I fear that all this talk of signifiers and signifieds (a very un-English
construction, that "signifieds") misses the point of ciphers.  A cipher
of the relevant type (a "substitution cipher", technically) is a mapping
of the usual symbols in a text or set of texts to other symbols WITH
THE INTENT OF SECRECY.  That is why Theban is a cipher, and so is the
venerable "pig-pen", and Masonic Samaritan; but the ecclesiastical use
of Samaritan is not, nor are

But you can't make a solid case for rejecting encoding of a cipher on the basis of 'the intent of secrecy'. What about ciphers that are developed without the intent of secrecy? Would you encode those? What about non-cipher scripts developed with the intent of secrecy -- e.g. traditional women's scripts, or initiate scripts for ceremonial languages -- would you reject those?


Philippe's suggestion of displaying Tifinagh characters with Latin glyphs is not with the intent of secrecy, but it is still employing Latin as a cipher of Tifinagh. So I don't think I've missed the point of ciphers at all: a cipher is a particular sign arrangement in which one set of signifiers is substituted for another; the intent is irrelevant.

John Hudson

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