what I don't get is the business about "no actual
contact" being made. How can a pure true dooring occur without some physical
contact?
The way I understood
the post there was no pure true dooring; no contact had actually been made,
thus, my comment. Really...considering how people go about their daily
lives in a daze, preoccupied with problems, thinking through
something or overwhelmed by whatever, it is amazing that more bikers
aren't killed or maimed by car doors opening in their
path.
Sande
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There seem to be quite a few dedicated city bikers here. Do any of you know if a near-dooring -- i'm talking skidding to a stop *just* before impact here -- can be cited as reckless operation of a vehicle or anything else? If so, how and to whom do i report it? I have a description of the driver, the car, and the liscense plate.
I am so sick of motorists who act like we don't matter.
Cary
In a message dated 6/16/2003 6:07:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If no actual contact is made, then technically, there is no liability. No crime has been committed or has occurred, at least legally. The recklessness of the driver is not at issue when the biker demonstrates his or her skills necessary to avoid impact. The biker has relieved the driver of culpability. Morally, philosophically, karmically or is it comically, all hell has broken loose. I hope my information, based on an accident some 10 years ago, is perhaps not so up-to-date, and that you do have some recourse.
Karmically what I don't get is the business about "no actual contact" being made. How can a pure true dooring occur without some physical contact? Metaphysical tricycle stuff? IDGI. A near-dooring sure as hell counts as a dooring in my book. Anyhow, great dooring stories. Amazing how none of the bikers get their bones broken. Why is this? One great chick-mesmerizing rain-predicting scar but no bones. On the other hand, good reports of serious door-bending. Right On! What a great topic for a collection of stories:
"My Life and Hard Dooring" "The Zen of Being Doored" "Raise High the Car Door Idiot" "How to Get Doored" "The Doorway to the Seventh Level of Hell for Automobile Drivers" "Turn On, Tune In, Get Doored" "The Abominable Doorman" "A Woman Without a Bicycle is Like an Automobile without a Door"
Christine Miller wrote:
> I got doored a little over a year ago, and I was hit,
> and the cop didn't do jack. The people were being
> total assholes and blamed me for it, and the cop
> didn't do anything. He said that unless we went to
> court, there was no way to prove it because it was all
> he said she said. But I got their insurance
> information to make them pay for the damage to my
> bike, but it turned out to be false, and they also
> gave a false phone number. It was, and still is,
> really really infuriating.
>
> On the plus side, drive sports trued my wheel for free
> (the only damage), and I totally bent the HELL out of
> their door. Seriously damaged it. Like at least
> $1000 worth of work. He he.
>
> So no, I don't think that the cops do that, unless
> they happen to witness it.
>
> Does anyone know otherwise?
>
> Christine
Anonymous rorker wrote:
last summer, as I was riding my bike to pick up my weekly
share of farm-to-city veggies at that <cough cough>
mennonite place up there on baltimore ave, I was doored for
the first time in my life. by a parked car. the impact threw
me out of the bike lane and there I was, flat in the middle
of the street, still gripping the handlebars and with my
bike still clenched between my legs. for like a full stunned
minute the car person and I just kind of looked at each
other, and I remember thinking how weird it was that my
wheels were still spinning. YOU OK he says. yeah, I say. I
FEEL TERRIBLE he says. don't worry about it, I say. YOU OK
he says again, and I'm like yeah I'm ok dammit.
after that I tried convincing everyone I knew that it would
be safer for bicyclists to ride on the other side of the
street, facing traffic. you wouldn't get doored, I told
them. you wouldn't get sideswiped. they all laughed at me.
now I have this cool looking scar on my upper right bicep.
the chicks all dig it, and it predicts the rain.
Ross Bender
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