What about that Hack money?  Can't it go to devising some kind of area
for dogs to be exercised off-leash?  I don't hear any complaints about
not enough plants or trees or flowers in Clark Park but I certainly do
hear a lot about dogs!!!

BTW, I've already expressed my condolences to Monique on the horrific
circumstances surrounding the death of her cat.

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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: [UC] Unleashed Dogs!!!


My heart goes out to Monique -- what happened to her cat is simply
awful.

That being said, to suggest that there is any correlation between
responsible dog owners allowing their dogs off a leash to exercise and
the
formation of "wolf-packs" that roam the neighborhood attacking pets is
preposterous.

Let's all take a deep breath, and think rationally about this issue.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sharon Nicolary
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
To: Margie Politzer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] Unleashed Dogs!!!


To all dog owners of unleashed pets: Some of us in this neighborhood
like to
walk around our neighborhood, ride our bikes, or just hang out drinking
a
cup
of coffee in the morning in peace. This situation with the unleashed
dogs
and
the dogs left to become packs are making this impossible for us. I
appeal to
you for the sake of all these innocent people and for this poor little
kittie
who was killed this morning. Now, besides having our cars broken into,
we
now
have to worry about gangs of dogs???

I talk to you now as a cat owner, who also loves dogs.  But to the
owners
who
think that giving a dog the right kind of love, support, and good home
life
will strip him of his intincts, you are wrong. I know because for years
I
denied any possibility that my Chow Chow could hurt anyone. She was,
afterall,
cute as a button, looked like a big teddy bear. But people had told me
that
Chow Chows had agressive behaviors and that I couldn't train or love it
out
of
my dog. They were right. A few weeks before my wedding, one of my
bridesmaids
was putting something in the trash when my Chow Chow got irritated and
almost
took her arm off.  The wedding pictures were cute with her arm in a
sling,
but
at least she still had her arm.

I had to learn that hard way that no amount of love or disciipline can
ever
take away the instinct.  Same goes for dogs left unleashed or wandering
around
in a park with other dogs. Their instinct will take over and this pack
mentality will take control over your otherwise sweet little harmless
creatures. Please be wise about this.

Quoting Margie Politzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> One to two weeks ago I was out late at night and saw 3 dogs running
wild
at
> 47th and Windsor. They ran away when they saw me. I don't remember
their
> colors, but none of them were very large. At least one had a tail that
> curled upward. I think these are stray dogs, and probably the same
ones
who
> killed your cat. I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. I hope these
dogs
> are caught.
>
> Margie Politzer
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:10:56 -0500
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [UC] Unleashed Dogs!!!
> >
> >
> > Before I say anything, let me state this - I am a dog owner.  I keep
my
> dog
> > fenced in a nice size yard, and when we are out for ANY reason, I
keep
him
> > on a leash.  Not only don't I want him to injure any other animals,
but
I
> > don't want my dog injured by anything, either.
> >
> > Well, pertaining to those three dogs roaming wild - I think it was
those

> > three that killed my house cat this morning.  My cat apparently
climbed
> > through a hole in my screen on the third floor, then fell or jumped
down -
> > to be met by those three who killed him.  My youngest kids heard the
> > commotion outside this morning and looked out the window and told me
when
> I
> > awoke "I saw three dogs, twodark and one brown fighting a grey cat
outside
> > this morning."  They had no idea the cat was ours.  I found him
outsdide
> > where they saw this commotion this morning, and I am devastated,
grief
> > stricken and pissed the f**k off.
> >
> > I heard the three still barking in the neighborhood as I headed for
the
> > trolley this morning.  My oldest son walked my youngest ones to
school
> this
> > morning, and saw the culprits.  Let this be my comment and warning.
I
> just
> > called PAACA, and Ihope they catch them and kill them.  If they are
> > anybody's dogs on this list, too bad.  Because if I see them before
PAACA
> > does, I will stab and kill the motherf***ers.  Any part about this
message
> > you don't understand?  Questions?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > M. M. Harvey, MPP, MPH
> > Administrator of Quality Management
> > Office of the Health Commissioner
> > 1101 Market Street, Suite 840
> > Philadelphia, PA 19107
> > (215) 685-5690
> > fax - (215) 685-5398
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent by:                   To:       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]        cc:
> > .purple.com                Subject:  [UC] Unleashed Dogs!!!
> >
> >
> > 11/02/03 08:52 PM
> > Please respond to
> > Lillja
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For you dog owners looking for support from us non-dog owners to let
you
> be
> > in Clark Park, count me out until you act responsibly and encourage
your
> > brethren to do so as well.
> >
> > I had a scary experience while doing my regular run around the park
> > tonight. I noticed a dog bolt out of the bowl near 45th and Regent
and I
> > yelled to the owner who was chasing after it that it should be on a
leash.
> > Just as I finished my sentence, three dogs in a pack raced toward me
from
> > the bowl, again with owners in pursuit. I shouted to them too as the
pack
> > ran just past me up onto Regent. One of the owners said I was wrong,
that
> > the leash law only stated that dogs must be leashed if they were not
in
> > their owners control!! I suggested strongly that, DUH!, these dogs
were
> not
> > under control.
> >
> > I saw the dog with the squirrel in its mouth, mentioned in an
earlier
> > message, on another run. I've seen several instances of dogs running
> > uncontrolled up and over the lip of the bowl. But tonight drove home
to
me
> > that many of the dog owners in the park regard themselves to be
above
the
> > law and whatever happens, "gee gosh, it's only my dog running
around,
> > what's the big deal".
> >
> > Well, it is a big deal, there are many more non-dog owners than vice
> versa,
> > and those who are have the right to bring their dogs to the park
only if
> > they obey the law and do not compromise the rights of the majority.
> >
> > I encourage you to put your dogs on a leash and keep them on a
leash. We
> > are a tolerant neighborhood only to a certain point.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Jim Lilly
> >
> >
> >
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