You probably need to take the HD conversation off-list.

My opinion...there is nothing left to say about it. It is
time to DO something about it. All of the energy..pro &
con..needs to be within an organized public forum,
Councilwoman Blackwell's Panel discussion or public meetings 
that we organize on the subject.

The folks on this list don't give a shit about HD and don't want 
 "further education" on the matter , after all....it's not a 
recommendation for an apartment or a plumber!


S.


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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [UC] Cost of "historically correct" work

Anthony West wrote:

> I haven't commented on this subject for six months. But I should point

> out some unhelpful muddles below, since they are widespread.
>  
> A "strong historical commission" plays NO role whatsoever in 
> "preventing the decay of these old buildings." It didn't prevent the 
> decay of that church and it won't save your house either. It just 
> makes repairs more expensive, in ways that don't make the house work 
> any better; that tends, if anything, to encourage decay.

Very true. Remember that house on 44th street, just north of Baltimore, 
that went unowned and unrepaired for seventeen years? I kept hearing 
people cite that place as an example of why we need an HD. But that 
would not have helped that house. (I recently met the new owners, whose 
efforts to repairs the place have been heroic.)

> "Proper care" for University City's buildings has nothing to do with 
> historic standards. A roof or a window is just as proper when it 
> exploits the technology of 2004 as when it imitates the methods of 
> 1904. Those of you who use modern construction methods in your houses:

> you have nothing to be ashamed of! You contribute just as much to 
> University City by your good work as the hardcore preservationist next

> door does.

And people who contribute something new and original are keeping the 
spirit of innovation and personal expression alive. Take a look at those

nifty nightspot-areas, like Manyunk, or the area around 2-3rd streets 
north of Market, or even what South Street was twenty years ago. Part of

the joy doesn't come from their preservation, but from the presence of 
independent spirits.

> Finally, all this landlord-bashing is bogus. The chief victims of HDs 
> are ordinary middle-class homeowners -- we're the ones who get stuck 
> with the bill. Most of the homeowners on my block don't like the HD 
> and don't want it. We like our property rights exactly the way we 
> bought them. If you don't like the way we keep them, you can always 
> buy them from us and knock yourself out historically -- using your own

> family's money.

Not to indulge in landlord-bashing... but it helps to remember that many

of the advocates of the HD are landlords themselves. They've tried to 
portray this as a matter of greedy landlords and cheap repairs. Yet many

of the main activists behind the HD are landlords themselves, with 
several investment properties whose values they're clearly interested in

protecting. The fact that the HD requirements hit homeowners hardest 
doesn't seem to matter to them.

> Don't get me wrong. I delight in the works of my pure preservationist 
> brethren and I'm most thankful that they live among us. But we don't 
> all have to live like them! I don't force the preservationists to 
> participate in *my* hobbies, or to pay for them for that matter. 
> Participation should be voluntary. I'm a strong believer in voluntary 
> community action.

And Tony's a good example of what I was describing in an earlier post. 
Anyone see his house? He's got these wonderfully funky iron gates over 
his windows that are actually _nice_ to look at. Wouldn't have been 
permitted under an HD, gang.


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