I'm not sure how to answer the first part of this email, but for the record, I 
didn't mean that the Cira Center was Art Deco, I just meant that it would be a 
prominent feature on that approach to West Philadelphia.

I could tackle the first part by pointing out some "what style is it?" 
resources, but I guess I'm not up for a discussion of semantics on this.  I 
think of Deco as a broad stylistic category including the clean lines of the 
Convention Hall and the geometric friezes of the Post Office, but if you want 
to call the train station "classical revival" that is certainly fine by me.  


ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F 215 
636-9989 | hillier.com

-----Original Message-----
From: William H. Magill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:08 PM
To: Dubin, Elisabeth
Cc: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review

On 03 Jan, 2005, at 10:51, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
> When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there are�
> three salient�things to look at as one crosses the bridge: the 
> triumvirate of art deco buildings comprised by the post office, the 
> train station, and the old convention hall.� There will soon be a 
> fourth - the Cira Center.

What on earth is Art Deco about 30th Street Station? (Other than the 
construction period.)

Greek Revival, I might buy, but Art Deco?  Even the interior is more WPA than 
Art Deco, the exception being the massive chandeliers. There's a great image of 
30th Street Station here:
http://www.chesco.com/~apu/prr/prr_30.html

Various descriptions of the structure describe it as evolving from the 
"neo-classical" popular when the building was started to the Beaux-Arts when it 
was completed, but nobody calls it Art Deco.

For that matter, I'd have to look again at the Civic Center and Municipal 
Auditorium buildings ... I don't recall any feature that says to me "Art Deco," 
other than "when" they were built. (Again, excepting some of the interior 
lighting fixtures.)

The same for the Post Office building -- it is clearly "Government Monument" in 
style; yeah the interior lighting fixtures and elevators are probably 
technically Art Deco, but even they are obscured by the massive granite and 
marble expanses between them. The 30th Street Post Office doesn't even have as 
much style as does the 8th and Market Post Office.

I don't think any of the three remind me of Art Deco half as much as the old 
WPEN or KYW Studios (now Temple U) in Center City.

And yes, the lines of Cira Centre evoke Art Deco streamlining, but again, those 
have more in common with WPEN and the old KYW studios than with either the 
train station or post office, except for size.  I can't help but wonder what 
the Building's architects would think of their design being called "Art Deco."

T.T.F.N.
William H. Magill
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