I knew someone would intimate that subliminally teachers are to blame for
what is happening to them.

Here¹s the rub; people are just only now beginning to see a problem of
violence in schools and society. What they have shut their eyes and ears to
for so long is that these problems are SO deep and still they do not realize
the extent of the problem.

It is everywhere, even on Indian reservations.


On 3/13/07 10:45 PM, "SKnight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wilma,
>  
> The only instance of violence against a teacher that I recall seeing
> first-hand while teaching at Camden was done to a teacher who was nasty and
> talked down to the student.  She practically goaded the student to slap her
> several times.  I did not like the way she treated students.
>  
> When I read of these assaults, I thought back to that incident and wondered
> how much was the result of behavior that was not as acceptable as one would
> like on the teachers' part.  Nevertheless, it certainly didn't appear that
> these teachers were in the wrong, but appearances never really tell the story,
> do they?
>  
> If I were to return to teaching, I would choose an Indian reservation.  You
> can keep these big city schools.
> sk
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> From: Wilma de  Soto <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  
>> To: Bill  Sanderson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ; UnivCity listserv
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:22  AM
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [UC] RE: West Philly High re  recent violence there
>>  
>> 
>> Every child deserves to have a building that is nice  and new.  Even I
>> deserve to work in a building where I can at least use  the restroom and find
>> it reasonably clean and tidy.
>> 
>> I was relating what  has happened in new building such as my University City
>> story.  The  prevailing sentiment seems to me "If it's not mine personally, I
>> don't care  about it."
>> 
>> This goes for books, furniture, walls, lockers any school  property or
>> property belonging to others.
>> 
>> If you touch MINE however,  I'll kill or harm you.  To wit, Frank Burd and
>> the proverbial not allowed  in school anyway iPod.  Mr. Burd (who REALLY
>> didn't have to do so), was  going to return after class anyway.  Not good
>> enough!  They had to  "get him".
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/13/07 12:17 AM, "Bill Sanderson"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> Yes to number 1, perhaps not to number 2-but in both  cases-the need was not
>>> driven by the "problems" you refer to, but by the  need to renovate or
>>> replace the aging building.  I haven't heard anyone  suggest that the new
>>> building will somehow result in model behavior by all  the students.
>>>  
>>> Are you suggesting that the students are somehow  undeserving of a new
>>> building?  In any case, none of them will be there  when the new building is
>>> completed.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   
>>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007  4:13 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [UC]  RE: West Philly High re recent violence there
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 3/12/2007  4:06:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
>>>  
>>>> It's been that way for a LONG time. Not just at  West Philadelphia High
>>>> either but all over the district.
>>>> 
>>>> At  least you don't have to go inside and spend your day in that sort  of
>>>> environment, be trained and re-trained and re-trained in the name of
>>>> "School
>>>> Reform."
>>>> 
>>>>                     OR
>>>> 
>>>> Be  held accountable if they don't do well on standardized tests; have  to
>>>> present your credentials to proven "highly qualified" to be in there  and
>>>> try
>>>> to teach  them.
>>>> 
>>>>                     OR
>>>> 
>>>> See  no consequences for the students or their parents; just you and/or
>>>> your
>>>> administrator.
>>>> 
>>>> This is how people are treated who WANT to  be there and want to teach.
>>>> 
>>>> We shall see how the public reacts when  contract negotiations start soon;
>>>> as
>>>> the district tries to pare down  even more of our rights and heap more
>>>> responsibility on  us.
>>> 
>>> Does anybody think that all the  time spent on the "forum" to pretend
>>> Community Input drove the plans to  build a new facility for West
>>> Philadelphia High has had any positive  impact?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anybody think that a new  building will solve any or all of the
>>> problems? (I don't, and can point to  what's happened at the new campus-like
>>> Atlantic City High School to back up  this belief. It's as bad there as it
>>> was in the old high school  building.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Always at your service and ready  for a dialog ® brand resident and housing
>>> provider,
>>> Al  Krigman
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
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