I think what bothers me most is the very high-handedness of it all. It implies that some residents and/or subscribers should not be borne because their statements or opinions upset us, so let us better folk adjourn to another forum where we can more readily censor them.
People are people and the Internet for good or ill is public. When one deals with the public, one has to realize there are all kinds of people and prepare to deal with that fact. That is why there are delete keys on the keyboard. Expectations that people should all be good, great or terribly interesting all the time is unrealistic. Stating one is leaving the listserv due to bad traffic, (unexplained as yet even though requested forthright) reminds me of statements such as, ³They¹re not MY kind of people.², or ³We have to move away from THAT element.² What¹s really disappointing is that apparently true diversity of opinion on community issues or direction of the community is not welcomed by many people, who purport that they live here BECAUSE of the diverse environment. On 7/28/07 7:02 PM, "S. Sharrieff Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn¹t frown on a discussion about listserv values on or off-list but > really > think creating list without the dialogue is cart before horse. I also don¹t > respect anyone posting to the list and criticizing the value of it when so > many people have greatly abused and benefited from what is clearly one of > the most dynamic community resources developed in our remarkable history. > > It is not the amount of e-mails, it is the content of the e-mails. Every > listserv¹s > goal is to have more participation coupled with subscriber growth. > > Jon, I agree, e-mailing about animal stories and whatever happened to you that > day on your way to the greenline is not appropriate content for the > UC-Listserv > as it was developed, however it would be for Culture as it was developed. When > you log-in and see poor content, it makes you want to just delete or not look > at all. > > I have witnessed over the years many people trying to destroy the subscriber > base > of this listserv because they resent those who were attached to it or to > invalidate > freedom of speech. Suggesting people should leave the list for another > duplicate > list doesn¹t solve the problem at all. > > Why haven¹t more people migrated to the culture list? > > UC-Neighbors will get confused with the UC-Listserv and will suffer the same > ills > or worse if people don¹t respect each other. > > and BTW²This is West Philly!² > > ;-) > > S > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Jonathan Herrmann > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:20 PM > To: S. Sharrieff Ali; B Andersen; UnivCity listserv > Cc: pfsni list > Subject: Re: [UC] Listserve Reform of the UC list > > > All: > > > > None of these changes made on the UC list in the last year alter the fact that > I have received about 13,000 e-mails from this listserve over the last 15 > months, or roughly 28 emails per day. This is why I haven't checked the list > in 15 months until Bruce's e-mail to PFSNI, and probably won't expect to read > responses to this e-mail (send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). > > > > Honestly, when I first joined this community list four years ago I was shocked > by the willingness of everyone to just email every little thought to the list. > There is no way that the community is served by this list, because so many > people refuse to join it. Thus, only a portion of the community is served. > After all, am I not part of the community? Just because this list is > democratic does not mean it is representative of the community. > > > > I certainly encourage the people who like receiving 28 e-mails per day, or > alternatel a REALLY long digest email, to do keep doing so. But I > whole-heartedly welcome the new list and hope that people either join it or > join whatever comes out of the discussions being coordinated. > > > > Jon > > ---- > jon grabelle herrmann > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: S. Sharrieff Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: B Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UnivCity listserv > <[email protected]> > Cc: pfsni list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:13:44 PM > Subject: RE: [UC] Listserve Reform of the UC list > > Bruce: > > I find it particularly ironic that you are pointing out bad traffic on the > listserv! > > There is no reason to start other list to serve the same people, which is why > many > of us in the past have not ³diluted² the subscriber base and have yet another > Listserv to subscribe to. > > Three significant changes happened in our local list history over the past ten > years. > 1. UC-Announce was created to allow announcements only. > 2. Jeff made it possible to search and read the list in digest form. > 3. Ross Bender created ³Culture² for those who like to write long e-mails > and stories. > > The problems on the UC-List are: > 1. More and more users are writing post which are unrelated to community > affairs > and are simply too long. > 2. Too many nasty spirited post. > 3. Posters who just refuse to self-police what has already been > established. > > There are established rules and guidelines for the UC-Listserv, Jeff post > FAQ¹s a while back, > few people have read them apparently due to the amount of people who don¹t > understand > how to use the listserv, subscribe or unsubscribe from the listserv. > > PFSNI is a Penn Community listserv and has always been focused more on Penn > Related > information and local faculty and staff conversation. The PFSNI organization > allowed a few > non-Penn neighbors to subscribe. It would not make sense to migrate to PFSNI > and confuse > the content there. > > Phillyblog is available for people who like to blog, it has a west > philly/u-city representation already. > > I think people just need to self-police, be considerate, and use the > guidelines already established.. > and when you want to rantas they say²take it to culture!². > > S > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of B Andersen > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:57 AM > To: UnivCity listserv > Cc: pfsni list > Subject: [UC] Listserve Reform of the UC list > > I'm tired of the bad traffic here on the listserve, and I know I'm not the > only one. I propose we meet in person to discuss one (or more) of five > options: > > *Develop rules and guidelines (and allow moderation) > *Migrate to psfni > *start an alternate group > *Move to a BB like Phillyblog > *leave things as they are > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http:/surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel > _invite.asp?a=7%20> and lay it on us. >
