Al, You may have missed my earlier reports with other important collaborating information for your results. I went to the 18th district Friday morning. The police officer was able to tell me that there was an incident at 44th and Larchwood that night, an abandoned vehicle removed. No carjacking.
When I returned in the afternoon to show the community affairs officer, Officer Davis, the list reports; I asked him if there is any possibility that a record could be delayed from them. He told me NO CHANCE and told me explicitly that I could PUBLICLY inform the list that this report was completely FALSE. It didn’t happen. I wish someone else would ask the police too! Is it conceivable that a violent crime, a carjacking with a gun, would not be verifiable at the 18th district 2 days after it occurred? Now 4 days later? If this is true, don't we have some different serious questions? If even the police mishandling described in the two accounts of the carjacking is true, that would be serious and should be discussed openly. Has anyone seen any media reports at all about these helpful and polite armed car jackers? Mr. Siano has declared me evil again, but I haven’t heard anyone else say they checked with the police themselves other than your web check, Al.. Does any one else understand that either way there is a serious problem with all of this? Complete mishandling right down to losing/hiding the report of an armed robbery is what we are talking about. Otherwise, the police have told me twice that this report is false and we have a rather serious hoax. Tomorrow, I’m going to police headquarters with the new account I received to get to the bottom of this. As always, I will report what I find out. More of the people from the civil censored list may want to focus on my evil nature and bad life in the meantime. Over this issue, we get to see more of the ugly posts coming from the barking cheeseheads !! Not Joey Clark, Elly Stern, plagiarist Mikey V, or FOCP geekboy, Siano, has taken the step to actually check with the police; or provide one media account; or get those involved from the list to identify their involvement or themselves before barking out their mean, uncivil, rather stupid crap. When the truth comes out, how are the rest of the folks concerned about civility on the list going to respond to these individuals?????? Even at this point as I try to find the truth, the posts from those jackals should be widely condemned because of spewing crap at me without a basic attempt to verify what I have discovered. Shame on barking cheese! Shame on the free pass for the civil folks! Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Airone To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [UC] important crime report information, car jacking It's working as of 4:40 pm. You can search by four types of report (Accident, Burglary, Stolen Auto, Theft), plus by date, time, and precinct. Nothing shows up for 10 PM 8/1/07 through 2 AM 8/2/07 for the 18th District under any of the four categories except Accident (one entry, 54th and Walnut). I'd give it a couple of days, it's possible not everything's been added yet (how likely is it that the only thing that required a written report in the entire 18th District for four hours was one car accident?). Word of caution: in any event, this is negative info - it says what's not there, not what is: that there was no report, not that there was no incident (if you catch my double negatives). Al Airone ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [UC] important crime report information, car jacking pdreports.phila.gov doesn't exist or is unreachable today Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 5, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Glenn wrote: Neighbors, I received the e-mail copied below yesterday morning. It claims to be brother of the victim and asserts that the earlier report of a 44th and Larchwood, August 1, car jacking was in fact true. I responded to the strange e-mail immediately but have gotten no reply. The yahoo account e-mail included a signature this time but I did not include this until after I go to police headquarters with it. It’s a little freaky that there is some unidentified sneaky member of this list or the censored, private, University of Pennsylvania listserv with lots of information and connections to this alleged serious incident, but who will not come forward to confirm it. I’m just getting these private communications from unidentifiable strangers as if my private knowledge of their crime story is the issue. I can’t understand why anyone needs to convince me while the police have the only incident recorded at that very location as removal of an abandoned car!!!!! The entire community also needs to know the truth not just me! The sender of this e-mail seems unaware that his sister should have an incident number. Not only are these "extraordinarily polite and helpful" armed car jackers not being pursued if the police bungled at this level but the victim won’t get insurance money for her SUV!. For the benefit of the list to verify no stolen vehicle with the police: http://pdreports.phila.gov/arpublic/ARComFindDC.asp What if the polite criminals use her car in another violent incident and the police get the correct plate number? If this isn’t straightened out and is true, the sister of this writer could find herself the target of the police who don’t consider her a victim!!!!!! All of this stuff is too much and scary. I’ll have to go to police headquarters tomorrow morning as this gets deeper. I don’t have the time for this but this is getting too scary. I'll be sure to give a report to the list. If this sneaky list member with information about this affair (who allegedly forwarded my post to this writer) could come forward, the community might be able to get the truth! One way or the other, this is a serious matter for all of us! This is either about serious unsolved crime right here and unacceptable police incompetence or a serious coordinated internet campaign to lie and spread fear that is centered right here. What is the truth? Here is the e-mail: ""Dear Glenn, I recieved this forward from a friend who belongs to some information list (I'm not really sure): "David, I went to the 18th distrrict. Apparently, the report of a car jacking was false. I will again confirm and report back to the uncensored list. I will not again forward information for you to share with the civil censored Penn list. For your own sake, I suggest that you get away from them. Please inform them that from current reports, the earlier report of armed black men committing car jackings is false. If some young black kid runs in fear from the police because frightened neighbors respond with increased fear, I would feel terrible if I didn't make the best effort to inform even barking cheese. I'm planning to give a copy of your forward to the police. It identifies both lists as well as Mr. West. I will be certain that they understand that you were simply forwarding this to an uncensored list of some 300+ people in good faith. You are unfortunately a witness to all of this. Thanks for sharing this with your neighbors. Glenn Moyer" I wish you were correct. I am the brother of the woman and the Uncle of her son who were both held up with the use of a gun by two young black males. My sister was getting out of her SUV after picking up my nephew from my house around 10:20. I recieved a call around 11:15 from my sister from the 18th district police station at 55th and Pine. I spent over two hours with my her, her son, and my brother-in-law, waiting for the detectives outside there office while they took about an hour to see them, and another hour to ask about ten questions. In addition to this, the car that the two young black males had parked in order to rob my sister was supposed to be towed by the officers of the the 18th district. They towed my sister's neighbor's car instead and in fact practically ripped off the front axel. This mistake was due to the incompetence of some officer who had written th wrong plate number, supposedly. The men who robbed my sister in fact were polite enough to help her unload small desk and even allowed her to keep her purse. The gun that they had was never drawn on them, but was simply flashed from one of the men's belt. When she told the police this they did not even consider to collect finger prints on the desk. After my sister made some phone calls to a friend who works on the CSI unit, two of his men came over to collect the desk in order to properly check for prints. I'm unsure of to whom you may have spoken, but they have grossly misinformed you. Sincerely, "" There you have it! What do folks think about all of this? Glenn Moyer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
