V,

When a reply is sent to multiple lists, and the person making the reply is not 
subscribed; I have seen this get bounced back from each list.  What a waste!  I 
think one of my poems about you and Bender was lost this way!

I'm banned from the civil censored Penn list as are other thinking neighbors.  
We have no idea who all the banned people might be.  There were originally 5 or 
6 people from the public list to be banned. We don't know who they are because 
that might lessen the general public's intimidation by the barking cheese 
founders. We have no idea how many thinking people may have tried to subscribe 
to barking cheese and were banned by Penn. 

 Don't get me wrong; the censored list has nothing of value to me except as an 
object of ridicule.  I simply don't want anyone's post to the public list to be 
lost because a person is trying to respond to someone who feels the need to 
post to the censored list.  I like some of the people who feel the need to post 
to the censored list like Roger.  

I don't want their posts to be ignored because the public sees that they are 
also participating with a censored list.  Censorship is something that is often 
viewed as un-American.  It is incompatible for responsible parties to employ in 
democratic systems.  Like many people, I have completely lost respect for the 
name University of Pennsylvania/upenn.edu, a name I spent many years of my life 
working to uphold.  But I haven't lost all respect for some of the indivduals 
posting on barking cheese.  Most yes, all of them, no.

I don't mind if you and Mr. West are ignored because you don't add any value to 
the public discussion, in fact, I consider your mean spirited pot shots at 
people engaged in civil discussion to be a serious nuisance. 

I know I always have to be careful to delete the censored list address before I 
send a reply.  I don't want to ignore some of these people but I wonder, why 
are they participating with a pathetic list with Penn's barking cheese gang and 
thereby promoting the establishment of censorship and setting up for future 
astroturfing for Penn agendas?  

But I do hope you have the ability to understand now that I have given you a 
simple explanation for your simple mind.  Say hi to barking cheese heads for 
me.  

You see, I like you V.  People think worms are icky, but I see a place for them 
too.

Of the uncensored list,
Glenn




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike VanHelder 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Trollglish (was [UC] Bartender - Servers at Abbraccio)


  What does... what does that even mean?  Can I get a troll-to-english 
translation over here?

  - Mike V.


  On Nov 15, 2007 1:35 AM, Glenn < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


    PS: I dont reply to barking cheese at upenn.edu and deleted a reply.  I am 
opposed to the univerity's new policy of censorship! Please don't send more 
cross posts to the uncensored list that might be bounced back because of the 
censorship..

    Citizen's posts could be rejected and not posted publicly because of this 
cross-posting to a censored list.  It is too bad that barking cheese is 
pathetic but that is not a problem for the community.  It's not a censored list 
that is worth a single lost post by someone trying to make a public post.

    Glenn




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