Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
"While I would agree you Glenn for the most part, why are there people on City
Payroll who work for the School District of Philadelphia who do nothing?"
Well, I know that I don't want to be hurtful, but it is easy to go too far with
generalizations that can do that. I was on the Board of FOCP for a short
period and I worked for Penn for many years. There are good people involved
with these entities too.
It's important to fight hard to stop the drive towards tyranny and to make the
city responsible to citizens but we can hurt good people doing great work while
speaking up for our rights.
I was a great employee at Penn, and I know there are very committed city and
school district employees too. Andy was correct to remind all of us about
stereotyping.
But also, we have a long history of corruption here in Phila. And our city has
gone through decades where the people were looked at as 2nd, 3rd, or 10th class
citizens by a suburbanized ignorant middle class society.
So, like with our crime problem, our cities corruption problems or poor work
ethic aren't surprises. We've got some substantial systemic problems in
Philadelphia. But I think, the last thing we want to do is to turn our city
government and operations over to corporate parasites and their pawns. That's a
practical reason to support good city employees. Let's make things better not
impossible.
My point was, let's keep fighting hard for justice; but fighting always has
what the military euphemistically labels, collateral damage. It's something
to always remember.
Wow. It's very nice to speak from the heart with neighbors and not have [EMAIL
PROTECTED] folks here to call me names.
Your friend,
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilma de Soto
To: Glenn ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity listserv
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
While I would agree you Glenn for the most part, why are there people on City
Payroll who work for the School District of Philadelphia who do nothing?
I have a longtime friend at the BRT who tells me what they do, (or don't do),
and how much they make. Meanwhile our budget has been slashed pitilessly.
There might be others who are 'on the dole' who make it bad for those who
really earn their way.
On 1/25/08 3:18 PM, "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cindy Miller <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; univcity
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Hmmm. While I can't answer the specific sanitation pickup question, I'm
surprised that you would besmirch an entire class of people on this listserve.
Many of my City Worker colleagues work unpaid and uncomped. extra hours to
get the job done on behalf of the public good. Some of them even donate their
time on community trash pickups around the city.
Andy,
I agree. It's not helpful but hurtful to stereotype city workers
unfairly. I started the post about illegal trash, which is a smelly and
emotional issue here.
Unfortunately, there is a serious problem with the "working relationship"
between the city Streets Department and UCD. I approached Mayor Nutter's
complaint department approximately 3 weeks ago. I expect follow-up shortly,
because I was told it would take 3 weeks. I'll report to the list about my
success or failure.
Maybe you can help with any idea?
The city is suing me for 3 trash tickets for $962. It is very important
to me that I do not simply get this frivolous suit against me thrown out. I've
considered approaching state or federal authorities about the transfer of city
enforcement power.
I'd rather get a city investigation into this inappropriate relationship,
and a court injunction against the city to halt additional frivolous suits
against citizens over trash tickets. I'd love a broad injunction against city
agencies prohibiting any continued engagement with any inappropriate
relationships with the UCD or other Penn driven entities. I'm beginning to
look into the appropriate legal possibilities. Phila. Municipal court is a
strange thing and maybe I should simply go to the next court, but I'm starting
to realize that legal action is becoming the hope for the US Constitution and
my continued residence in Philadelphia.
I don't want to do my best to make the city or any employees get exposed
as Penns' hounds. Yet, I'm very angry about all of this. Are there any other
internal mechanisms in the city to encourage a needed investigation into the
Streets Department enforcement division that you can suggest?
It's not good for city agencies to intimidate citizens in the interest of
corporate gentrification goals. There is lots of evidence that undue stress
is bad for public and personal health. I appreciate any thoughts.
Sincerely,
Glenn Moyer
Just as we shouldn't judge all dog owners and walkers by the bad actions
of the few who use my tiny yard as a puppy latrine, please consider a more
balanced critique of our public employees (oh, you meant THOSE City Workers?
Never mind!).
Here are a few thoughts you can try to internalize as part of your
re-orientation towards our public workforce:
1. Some of my best friends are City Workers
2. Michael Nutter is a City Worker
3. Osama bid Laden is NOT a City Worker.
4. When you smile at a City Worker, the city smiles with you.
Not actually offended,
Andy
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----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01/25/2008 08:45 AM EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
So in essence, city sanitation workers would never really have a 4-day
week..even if they get a holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday?
CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest!
-cm
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On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, the newspaper notice always says that collections will be a day
late for the rest of the week, so I always thought that meant Friday routes
were done on Saturday. How else could it be done?
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UnivCity listserv <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am
Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
Our block lucked out this week.
Does anybody know the scheduling details of how Streets copes with the
periodic challenge of removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now
they've got dueling programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall behind.
There must be more to it than meets the eye.
I've long been tied to a similar industry in my private life, for
several different employers, and 4-day weeks are always a killer for us as
well. Sometimes we pull it off gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some
sympathy for the trashmen and I'm curious how they go about it.
-- Tony West
> They took my recycling today but left the trash. >
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UnivCity listserv >
<[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
>
> I put the trash and recyclables today after checking last evening if >
it was a Blue Week.
>
> There were empty Recycling Receptacles across the street, but mine >
were not collected.
>
> Well, better luck in two weeks.
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