While I would agree you Glenn for the most part, why are there people on
City Payroll who work for the School District of Philadelphia who do
nothing?

I have a longtime friend at the BRT who tells me what they do, (or don¹t
do), and how much they make. Meanwhile our budget has been slashed
pitilessly.

There might be others who are Œon the dole¹ who make it bad for those who
really earn their way.


On 1/25/08 3:18 PM, "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> To: Cindy Miller <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ; univcity
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
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>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:14  AM
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>> Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash  update
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>> Hmmm.  While I can't answer the specific sanitation pickup question,  I'm
>> surprised that you would besmirch an entire class of people on this
>> listserve.  Many of my City Worker colleagues work unpaid and uncomped.
>> extra hours to get the job done on behalf of the public good.  Some of  them
>> even donate their time on community trash pickups around the city.
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>> Andy,
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>> I agree. It¹s not helpful but hurtful to stereotype city workers  unfairly. I
>> started the post about illegal trash, which is a smelly and  emotional issue
>> here.
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>> Unfortunately, there is a serious problem with the "working relationship"
>> between the city Streets Department and UCD. I approached Mayor Nutter¹s
>> complaint department approximately 3 weeks ago. I expect follow-up shortly,
>> because I was told it would take 3 weeks. I¹ll report to the list about my
>> success or failure.
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>> Maybe you can help with any idea?
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>> The city is suing me for 3 trash tickets for $962. It is very important to
>> me that I do not simply get this frivolous suit against me thrown out. I¹ve
>> considered approaching state or federal authorities about the transfer of
>> city  enforcement power.
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>> I¹d rather get a city investigation into this inappropriate relationship,
>> and a court injunction against the city to halt additional frivolous suits
>> against citizens over trash tickets. I'd love a broad injunction against
>> city agencies prohibiting any continued engagement with any  inappropriate
>> relationships with the UCD or other Penn driven entities.  I¹m beginning to
>> look into the appropriate legal possibilities.  Phila. Municipal court is a
>> strange thing and maybe I should simply go to the  next court, but I'm
>> starting to realize that legal  action is becoming the hope for the US
>> Constitution and my continued  residence in Philadelphia.
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>> I don¹t want to do my best to make the city or any employees  get exposed as
>> Penns' hounds.  Yet, I'm very angry about all of this.   Are there any other
>> internal mechanisms in the city to encourage a  needed investigation into the
>> Streets Department enforcement division that you  can suggest?
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>> It's not good for city agencies to intimidate citizens in the interest of
>> corporate gentrification goals.  There is lots of evidence that  undue stress
>> is bad for public and personal health.  I appreciate  any thoughts.
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>> Sincerely,
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>> Glenn Moyer
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>> Just as we shouldn't judge all dog owners and walkers by the bad  actions of
>> the few who use my tiny yard as a puppy latrine, please consider a  more
>> balanced critique of our public employees (oh, you meant THOSE City  Workers?
>> Never mind!).
>> 
>> Here are a few thoughts you can try to  internalize as part of your
>> re-orientation towards our public  workforce:
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>> 1.  Some of my best friends are City Workers
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>> 2.   Michael Nutter is a City Worker
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>> 3. Osama bid Laden is NOT a City  Worker.
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>> 4.  When you smile at a City Worker, the city smiles with  you.
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>> Not actually offended,
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>> Andy
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Cindy Miller  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: 01/25/2008 08:45 AM  EST
>   To: [email protected]
>   Subject:  Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
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> So in essence, city  sanitation workers would never really have a 4-day
> week..even if they get a  holiday, they'd have to make it up on a Saturday?
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> CITY WORKERS? Surely you jest!
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> -cm
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> On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Well, the newspaper notice  always says that collections will be a day late
>> for the rest of the week, so  I always thought that meant Friday routes were
>> done on Saturday.  How  else could it be done?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:  UnivCity listserv <[email protected]>
>> Sent:  Fri, 25 Jan 2008 4:22 am
>> Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash update
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>>  
>> Our  block lucked out this week.
>>  
>> Does anybody know the  scheduling details of how Streets copes with the
>> periodic challenge of  removing 5 days' worth of trash in a 4-day week? Now
>> they've got dueling  programs, thus twice as many opportunities to fall
>> behind. There must be  more to it than meets the eye.
>>  
>> I've long been tied to a  similar industry in my private life, for several
>> different employers, and  4-day weeks are always a killer for us as well.
>> Sometimes we pull it off  gracefully, sometimes less so. So I feel some
>> sympathy for the trashmen and  I'm curious how they go about it.
>>  
>> -- Tony  West 
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>>> > They took my recycling today but left the  trash. >
>>> > Paul 
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>>> > 
>>> >  -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >  To: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UnivCity  listserv >
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> >  Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 8:21 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: [UC] Illegal trash  update
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>>> > I put the trash and recyclables today  after checking last evening if > it
>>> was a Blue  Week.
>>> > 
>>> > There were empty Recycling Receptacles  across the street, but mine > were
>>> not  collected.
>>> > 
>>> > Well, better luck in two  weeks.
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