"We should also expect the same consistency from Glenn, but he has so far given
us the impression that he seems to be particularly interested in complaining to
UDC about Campus Apts. building violations, because their guy sits on the UCD
Board. At least, he hasn't yet told us that he's complaining about other
landlords, and other homeowners in a similar way."
Aw man, Eli. I was trying to keep my hypocrisy a secret.
I can't get away with any deception with your keen awareness of my every trick.
Have a little mercy,
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Elliot M. Stern
To: University City List
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Public report
I agree with you here, Karen, that we can challenge UCD, if we believe that
they have undertaken the function of private trash violation snitch, and they
fail in snitch consistency. We should also expect the same consistency from
Glenn, but he has so far given us the impression that he seems to be
particularly interested in complaining to UDC about Campus Apts. building
violations, because their guy sits on the UCD Board. At least, he hasn't yet
told us that he's complaining about other landlords, and other homeowners in a
similar way. On the blocks around where I live, many people, and most of the
landlords, put their trash and recyclables out a day early, not thinking that
Monday or Tuesday was a holiday, and the pickup day will be Thursday. The
landlords' employees generally put the trash out before 7PM in any case,
because they don't schedule employees to work that late in the day.
On 20 Feb 2008, at 4:25 PM, KAREN ALLEN wrote:
UCD voluntarily took it upon itself up to start forwarding trash
complaints to the City. Once it set itself up to do that, UCD created for
itself a duty to follow through consistently. And if they don't carry out this
voluntary act consistently, they can be challenged as to why they turn in some
reports and not others. That was what Glenn was doing.
Before, UCD was forwarding trash complaints. Now they might do it if enough
complain. So does that mean that they're paying someone to keep a tally of
each complaint against each property, and when some magic number is reached,
they will forward it along to the City, maybe? And if they're not keeping a
tally, how will they know that more than one complaint came in?
Sounds like parsing of words to me: "you didn't read the fine print!".
Seems like they've painted themselves into a corner and are now trying to back
out it. If UCD is not going to forward every complaint consistently, they
shouldn't do it at all.
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:38:11 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UC] Public report
Glenn and Karen,
I called Dexter Bryant today today to ask if anything had been done
after Glenn's report about the alleged trash violation. He said that if, and
here's the important word, enough people sent in a complaint about a certain
resident or citizen's possible trash violation, then they might phone in to the
Streets Dept. themselves to have a Streets Dept. employee come around and
check. Even then, they can't assure that someone from the Streets Dept. will
actually come by. Evidently, the fastest and most appropriate way for Glenn or
anyone for that matter to get a response to a potential trash violation is to
call the Streets Dept. directly and not even bother getting UCD involved.
Glenn's trying to make the argument that UCD violated a legal
obligation, which they haven't. UCD's compiling of the addresses of possible
trash collection violators is not a legally required action. If someone is
derelict enough to commit a trash violation that bothers enough neighbors or
community members, then UCD likes to help out by making sure that the Streets
Dept. is sent word. They don't have to do it. While the argument that they're
doing it selectively and not every time someone complains may be valid, it's
also meaningless. UCD themselves can't deal with the trash violation and we
have no right to force them to call the city government on our behalf every
time one of us has a complaint. We're individually responsible for filing such
a legal complaint.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:22 PM, KAREN ALLEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am not making a faulty assumption. Please re-read what I wrote. I
never said "UCD is legally responsible for citing trash violations" (copying
and pasting your exact phraseology).
I wrote (copying and pasting again) "[i]f UCD compiles and forwards
lists of addresses of trash offenders to the City, then UCD should have taken
Glenn's information, and forwarded it on to the City". Nowhere in that did I
say that UCD should have cited anyone.
However, if UCD has established a policy and a relationship with the
City wherein it forwards information regarding trash violations, the violations
that Glenn pointed out should have been collected and forwarded for the City to
respond to. And if they did not do so in light of that policy, then why?
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:43:30 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UC] Public report
Karen,
You're taking Glenn's word for it. And you're making the same
faulty assumption that Glenn is making, and that is that UCD is legally
responsible for citing trash violations. They are not. Only employees of the
Streets Dept. can cite trash violations. Did Glenn call the Streets Dept.
himself? Did you, Glenn? If Glenn wants someone violating a trash collection
ordinance to be cited for that violation, he needs to alert the Streets Dept.
and have them send somebody over to 41st and Pine. Not having seen this area of
sidewalk yesterday, or Glenn's photos, I can't even assume there was a
violation at all.
Mario
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM, KAREN ALLEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Glenn wrote:
>"Mr. Dexter Bryant confirms that UCD compiles a list of addresses
>for the city enforcement officers and provides addresses. This is >not done on
the basis of an immediate violation. UCD provides a >list of "offenders" by way
of the phone at later dates.
>
>I asked repeatedly for Mr. Bryant and Mr. Kingsley to call
>enforcement officers. None of the Campus Apt. addresses were >recorded by any
of the UCD employees. As I walked away, Mr. >Kingsley and Bryant left without
any effort to record the various >addresses. All UCD staff refused pictures."
If UCD compiles and forwards lists of addresses of trash offenders
to the City, then UCD should have taken Glenn's information, and forwarded it
on to the City.
If UCD refused to do so when Glenn pointed out that the violations
were on Campus Apartments properties, one would have to ask whether UCD is
selectively forwarding or not forwarding these violations on the basis of
favoritism. It should be noted that David Adelman, the owner of Campus
Apartments, is on UCD's board of directors, was a leading member of the NID/BID
steering committee, and is a partner in the 40th and Pine hotel project, for
which UCD wrote a letter of support to the Philadelphia Historic Commission.
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:59:01 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UC] Public report
Glenn,
It isn't UCD's responsibility to cite trash violations; that
is the responsibility of the municipal government. If you're so anxious to
indict anyone for trash collection violations, why don't you call the
Philadelphia Streets Department (215-686-5560) yourself. Send them your photos
of the property and the offending trash. As far UCD's "working relationship"
with the Streets Department is concerned, I think the fact that they deal with
the public sidewalk trashcans in UC, they operate/organize sidewalk clean-ups
with the community and offer other "clean streets" support that are a community
service that the city government recognizes and appreciates as do some of us
living in UC.
I seem to remember a discussion of people in the hood on the
listserv talking about UCD writing trash tickets for the Streets Dept.
employees that they had no authority to write. I remember most folks on the
listserv thinking that UCD should never have written trash tickets specifically
because it was the city government's responsibility, not the responsibility of
a non-government NID/BID or community support services entity.
Mario
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
February 19, 2008, 4:30 PM, 41st and Pine St.
Mr. Dexter Bryant and Chris Kingsely of UCD meet Glenn Moyer
after 2 UCD employees are flagged down and call Mr. Bryant. Trash has been
placed on the sidewalk in front of various Campus Apt buildings on Pine St
between 40 th and 42nd Sts. Also on 41st St.
I met Mr. Dexter Bryant and Mr. Chris Kingsely of the UCD at
4:25 PM. As of 3:30 PM, the regular trash violations of Campus Apts were
photographed on Pine St and 41st St. On this holiday week, trash cannot be put
out until Wed. after 7 PM. Several piles exceeded the limits on amount of
trash.
Mr. Dexter Bryant and Mr. Chris Kingsley refuse to call the
city of Philadelphia Streets Department on the spot. Four separate UCD
employees refuse to call city enforcement officers. They do not record any of
the violation addresses. Mr. Kingsley and Mr. Bryant inform me that I need to
contact the property manager.
I inform Mr. Bryant and Mr. Kingsley that Deputy Commissioner
Carlton Williams of the Phila. Dept. of Streets is on record describing a
"working relationship" between the city and UCD.
Mr. Dexter Bryant confirms that UCD compiles a list of
addresses for the city enforcement officers and provides addresses. This is not
done on the basis of an immediate violation. UCD provides a list of "offenders"
by way of the phone at later dates.
I asked repeatedly for Mr. Bryant and Mr. Kingsley to call
enforcement officers. None of the Campus Apt. addresses were recorded by any of
the UCD employees. As I walked away, Mr. Kingsley and Bryant left without any
effort to record the various addresses. All UCD staff refused pictures.
Glenn Moyer, 5:23 PM, 2/19/08
Elliot M. Stern
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Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
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