Tony West wrote:
It is nice to be able to read meeting minutes on the Web.
When a meeting organizer has paid staff, why not post
them? Lean on PP directly and see if that prods them to
get some up.
But the normal place for minutes is still face to face,
at a subsequent meeting. Minutes are, strictly speaking,
an aid for the next meeting. Their purpose is not to
substitute for attending meetings. Non-decisional
meetings don't require minutes; however, any discussion
that calls for progress should provide them.
Perhaps people should sort out their priorities here.
People whose chief goal is to stamp PennPraxis as
unhelpful, probably should avoid attending any meeting it
facilitates, since they would then run a risk (however
small) of actually being helped by PennPraxis.
People whose chief goal is to weigh in on a political
choice, though, are generally helped by attending
pertinent meetings, no matter who chairs them and how the
minutes come out; especially if those people believe they
have force of numbers on their side.
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
yes, let's see more meeting minutes!
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/local/40th//reference.html
http://www.sprucehillca.org/publications.html
http://www.uchs.net/
http://tinyurl.com/6p266k
http://www.upenn.edu/secretary/council/ccl.html
zoning is a public question, and yet if a neighbor coming in
the middle of things wanted to know about the hotel, or
about the progress of the hotel, or about opposition to (or
support for) the hotel, he/she would be hard pressed to
learn anything outside of this list or the uc review or the
dp or (some other periodic source? who knows?). but one
thing is clear: that neighbor wouldn't learn much of
anything about the hotel from penn praxis, from shca, from
uchs, or from ucd. and that neighbor certainly wouldn't
learn much from pcpc, who 'erased' neighbors' testimony from
their publicly accessible minutes, and scrambled neighbors'
names <view the pdf at http://tinyurl.com/6zvllw>. this is
why I originally wrote:
how sad is it that our existing defenders -- uchs, shca,
ucd, penn praxis -- have been so curiously unable (un-vocal
and un-visible) to help the neighbors in this hotel battle.
by keeping the hotel 'invisible' (whether by design or by
negligence), by keeping information about the hotel progress
invisible, by keeping records about hotel meetings
invisible, it's harder for a neighbor to be informed about
the hotel, to form a position about the hotel, to know what
other neighbors have demonstrated about the hotel, to know
if there are like-minded neighbors or organizations. even
though zoning is a public question, a neighbor facing the
hotel question is left to act alone, thanks to penn praxis,
shca, uchs and ucd. that is why I originally wrote:
how sad is it that our existing defenders -- uchs, shca,
ucd, penn praxis -- have been so curiously unable (un-vocal
and un-visible) to help the neighbors in this hotel battle.
for a year now we have had an ongoing situation where
meetings about the hotel are announced/not announced, get
cancelled/rescheduled, get attended by crowds or the hardy
few who can chase them down -- and then get 'lost' in the
public record, even as the hotel proposal goes through
hearings at city hall. that isn't helpful, especially for so
public a question, especially when there are organizations
like penn praxis, shca, uchs and ucd, who claim to be
serving the neighbors. that is why I originally wrote:
how sad is it that our existing defenders -- uchs, shca,
ucd, penn praxis -- have been so curiously unable (un-vocal
and un-visible) to help the neighbors in this hotel battle.
some readers of this list are, understandably, offput by
repetition, by long-windedness, by pointless exchanges and
arguing for arguing's sake. they prefer concision. that's
why I originally wrote:
how sad is it that our existing defenders -- uchs, shca,
ucd, penn praxis -- have been so curiously unable (un-vocal
and un-visible) to help the neighbors in this hotel battle.
..................
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
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