Glenn, The only reason I brought it up because it was getting confusing to me. A volunteer myself I understand what that means. I'm not that dense. However, it appeared there was a disavowal of any knowledge of the chemical being used and all culpability was aimed at the city and parks commission.
There were things that happened during my volunteer service I did not exactly like, but I had to take the heat because I was part of the organization; nature of the beast and all that. And so it goes. From: Glenn moyer <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:22:51 -0400 To: Alex de Soto <[email protected]> Cc: Richard Conrad <[email protected]>, UnivCity listserv <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible From the UCD Quest, Summer 2010 "UCD and the Clark Park Partnership, a consortium that OVERSEES park maintenance, events, POLICIES and capital projects..." Wilma, While Mr. West continually points to the Parks Dept., it seems that UCD claims that it is in charge of Clark Park in this publication. (However, we've seen before that UCD tells different stories to different publications.) Wilma, Tony West is using the circular deception designed and rehearsed to frustrate and stone wall anyone asking questions of the secret partnership. You and others have asked the FOCP leaders for embarrassing secret information. It is abundantly clear that they have no intention of answering anyone. Everyone saw their grasp for red herrings when Glenn Moyer's vile insane lies were the center of all their initial replies about RoundUp. Tony West knows that the Parks Dept. will also protect the secrecy by answering any questions about RoundUp by playing stupid and pointing to "the community and its partners." UCD will also answer that all decisions are made by the community and the Parks Dept. Once a person goes through this, as I have, he or she will understand this technique used in an iron triangle. It's a corollary to catch 22. Each group gives you an answer that only tells you that you will never get an honest answer. No one seems to know when, where, and by whom decisions are made whenever someone is asking questions! But when they are marketing, then they are all sophisticated well informed partners bringing salvation to all that they touch-haha Wilma writes: "I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community, questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or rancor." Yes indeed! If they are representatives of this community, as they claim, is it not their primary duty to honestly and politely answer their constituents questions? But for years, we've seen that their primary mission is protecting the power and secrecy of their partnership with UCD/Penn while they get angry at all questions because they're hard working volunteers. For years, I asked for the time, date, and location of their secret meetings, and that was why I was personally attacked and the meetings always remained secret and exclusive. Tony West and Brian Siano have been the FOCP leaders for ten years. The members of FOCP should be ashamed at the behavior of these UCD operatives who treat so many people so badly with so much deception. This is what happens when people are lured by the glitter of fool's gold and turn a blind eye to behavior that they would otherwise condemn! Thanks for speaking up for truth, Glenn On 6/18/2011 9:56 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: > > Actually, I am getting a bit muddled following this discussion thread. If > the Friends of Clark Park don't really have any say or input as to what > happens in Clark Park whether its plantings or chemicals used in the park, > for what reason do they exist? > > The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked > hard to maintained our vast system of city parks. If the City and Park > Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with > Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary? I > am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it. > > It has been my experience that the various and sundry "Friends of..." > groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the > neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private > projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom > they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually > represent. > > I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community, > questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by > concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or > rancor. > > Either the FOCP knew about the use of this chemical and how the park would > be revamped and were in on the decisions with the other entities or they > didn't. If they didn't what purpose do they serve? There is FAR too much > protesting of innocence from their end. It's quite confusing and I > usually follow things without getting muddled. > > On 6/18/11 9:29 PM, "Richard Conrad" <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: >> >> >>> >>> a foolish error... when you babble about... >>> >> >> [UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible! >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >> > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3712 - Release Date: 06/18/11 > 14:34:00 > >
