Dear Brian,  

Mike said what he said,  "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as 
pleasant"  I called it  "bathroom humor" and asked if he used it "with lovers", 
'people he wished to humiliate, or all of the above'.  

If I loathed gay people then why do I love them?  Ask yourself the accusation, 
before you accuse...  You are an irritant in accusing me so tenaciously, but I 
don't loathe you.  

Loathe with your own loather Brian, not mine.  I'm not sure why you feel I 
loathe... you seem to be in a real lather about my (lack of) loathing.  

I don't even half loathe gay people, though I've heard it said 'half a loathe 
is better than none'!  

I wish Mike would stop ragging on Glenn, I wish William H. Magill would stop 
ragging on Glenn and I, and I wish you would stop ragging on Glenn or on me, or 
on whomsoever does not agree with you.   Lots of love Brian.

Rick Conrad
   
On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

> You wanted to insult Mike Van Helder, and you did this by insinuating
> that he's gay. Clearly, you see homosexuality as something ugly and
> shameful. Don't try to torture this into anything but what it is: your
> loathing of gay people.
> 
> You may not have liked Mike's line about truckstop bathrooms, but it
> wasn't a _slur against gay people_.
> 
> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
>> It was a question - of rhetoric - Brian.  Tell the truth, I didn't think
>> that you thought there was anything intrinsically slur-ful about
>> homosexuality, Brian... and besides I was referring in rhetorical fashion to
>> the more sinister and violent forms of homo-erotic cruelty, not to any
>> normal or healthy sorts of homo-eroticisms...
>> 
>> Judgement (as beauty and cogency) is also frequently a matter for the 'mind
>> of the beholder' caveat!
>> 
>> You stooped to the use of 'gutter-level bigotry' not me.
>> 
>> Mike called Glenn  "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as
>> pleasant" or did you miss that one Brian?
>> 
>> I've referred to Mike's use of "bathroom humor" as being a deviant use of
>> the familiar and unworthy of any thing one could call loving response.  It,
>> unlike Glenn's clever and cogent poem, was unkind, unsubtle, and rather
>> banal.  It attacked without allowing for feelings or thoughts.
>> 
>> Bill had previously been a bit unfeeling and crude in his 'resigning' but
>> slurring statement:  "I did not intend to feed the trolls, but their
>> incessant, idiotic, incoherent ramblings and constant reiteration of the
>> Party Line,  tend to grossly offend any thinking person.  Therefore,
>> goodbye."
>>> William H. Magill
>>> Block Captain
>> 4400 Chestnut Street"
>> 
>> As far as peoples opinions about homosexuality... I did not make a slur
>> against the concept, life-style, extant notion(s), or erotic preference.
>> Did you?  I leave the issue for you to decide, I can't speak for you.  I
>> have generally preferred the term homo-erotocism as homo-sexuality can tend
>> to lead to confusion, and while generativity is certainly not always
>> hetero-sexual... "sexual" reproduction in which biological meiosis
>> recombination produces a viable zygote seems to have tended quite
>> exclusively in the direction of hetero-partnering.
>> 
>> P.S.  I assume you are referring to me as 'Rich', though you have never
>> known me to use that name, rather:  Rick Conrad, or Richard Conrad... Please
>> at this time I ask... do not call me Rich, Brian, if you would be so kind.
>> :>)
>> 
>> "Can't we all just try to get along"  - Rodney King
>> 
>> Rick Conrad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>> 
>>> It's shameful that Rich would leap to slurs about homosexuality.
>>> 
>>> Argue all you want, call each other names all you want, but Rich's
>>> gutter-level bigotry is just revolting.
>>> 
>>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> when you gotta go...  you really gotta go...  SO GO!
>>>> 
>>>> Do you use your bathroom 'humor' with your lovers too Mike or just those
>>>> you
>>>> want to make humbled...  hmmm, maybe they are the same set of members...
>>>> maybe you actually want to both humiliate Glenn and also be his lover...
>>>> like the huckleberry dude in the movie Tombstone?
>>>> 
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