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Hey Rick,
I don't have much internet access for the next week, but I wanted to continue the serious discussion about the global BID strategy to which you and Karen responded seriously.
The global BID strategy to divide the worlds' cities between the few haves, while the masses of have nots exist in slums surrounding these, is part of the international plutocracy movement. It's the part of the global plutocracy dividing our cities before our eyes.
This bag of logical fallacies and disingenous editing tricks used by Mikey and Brian are their attempt to destroy any important discussion which they cannot win. It's the same bag of tricks used by the likes of FOX News, etc. Because the study of philosophy and logic has been degraded for decades, these tricks and the nastiness are not rejected the way these tactics would be, if society was more literate in the humanities.
Mikey and Brian can never offer rational discourse or refutation to conversations about policy or justice, because the world they want cannot be backed up with long held principles and values! (I imagine this is why Bill McGill got nasty as well).
My hope is that passive readers wise up to the tactics (which Brian and the FOCP leaders have used for years). What happens here are the same tactics and patterns that are fueling the class war, while the middle class watches helplessly. Mikey, Bll, and Brian are serving an important role if people on our listserv study and start rejecting thes tactics!
When a few of us stood up to these same bullying type of tactics previously, UCNeighbors was formed and fled to the protection of censorship which the University of Pennsylvania afforded them. Everyone else was able to see how those without "cogent" arguments are also the same people who both serve and abuse power!
I'm glad that Mikey, Brian, and unfortunately Bill; continue to help expose tactics that are threatening to destroy our Republic by being such jerks. While our revolution is gaining traction in cities across the countryt, the hope for society depends on the middle class embracing values and principles which have been dormant too long! They need to speak out against these tactics, if our society is to get on a better course!
Battery is getting low, but I would love to get back to the serious discussion with you and Karen when I get back to Philadelphia or Boston.
All the best,
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Conrad
>Sent: Oct 6, 2011 12:39 AM
>To: Brian Siano
>Cc: univcity
>Subject: Re: [UC] My apologies to the list
>
>
>Gay shmay Brian... the question was did he consider that he was reducing the discourse to the level of insulting another person inappropriately... perhaps in a classical Freudian slip - from attempts to show respect... to anal (erotic??) expulsive (erotic??) behaviors??
>
>Mr. Siano,
>
>Why do you use quotation marks INSTEAD OF the usual INVERTED COMMAS when you twist and STULTIFY an inappropriate interpretation of someone's words Brian? That's like biting someone in a wrestling contest and saying that you did not do it. Have you no rules, no ethics? Why do you use those 'when did you stop beating your wife' type questions? Have you no shame??
>
>
>Aw, NUTS!
>
>
>
>On Oct 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, Brian Siano wrote:
>
>> You wanted to insult Mike, and the only thing you could think of was
>> to insinuate that he's gay. Why is that?
>>
>> I think it says a _lot_ more about your attitudes than any of this
>> "some of my best friends are" gibberish.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad wrote:
>>> Dear Brian,
>>>
>>> Mike said what he said, "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as
>>> pleasant" I called it "bathroom humor" and asked if he used it "with
>>> lovers", 'people he wished to humiliate, or all of the above'.
>>>
>>> If I loathed gay people then why do I love them? Ask yourself the
>>> accusation, before you accuse... You are an irritant in accusing me so
>>> tenaciously, but I don't loathe you.
>>>
>>> Loathe with your own loather Brian, not mine. I'm not sure why you feel I
>>> loathe... you seem to be in a real lather about my (lack of) loathing.
>>>
>>> I don't even half loathe gay people, though I've heard it said 'half a
>>> loathe is better than none'!
>>>
>>> I wish Mike would stop ragging on Glenn, I wish William H. Magill would stop
>>> ragging on Glenn and I, and I wish you would stop ragging on Glenn or on me,
>>> or on whomsoever does not agree with you. Lots of love Brian.
>>>
>>> Rick Conrad
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>>>
>>>> You wanted to insult Mike Van Helder, and you did this by insinuating
>>>> that he's gay. Clearly, you see homosexuality as something ugly and
>>>> shameful. Don't try to torture this into anything but what it is: your
>>>> loathing of gay people.
>>>>
>>>> You may not have liked Mike's line about truckstop bathrooms, but it
>>>> wasn't a _slur against gay people_.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad wrote:
>>>>> It was a question - of rhetoric - Brian. Tell the truth, I didn't think
>>>>> that you thought there was anything intrinsically slur-ful about
>>>>> homosexuality, Brian... and besides I was referring in rhetorical fashion
>>>>> to
>>>>> the more sinister and violent forms of homo-erotic cruelty, not to any
>>>>> normal or healthy sorts of homo-eroticisms...
>>>>>
>>>>> Judgement (as beauty and cogency) is also frequently a matter for the
>>>>> 'mind
>>>>> of the beholder' caveat!
>>>>>
>>>>> You stooped to the use of 'gutter-level bigotry' not me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike called Glenn "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as
>>>>> pleasant" or did you miss that one Brian?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've referred to Mike's use of "bathroom humor" as being a deviant use of
>>>>> the familiar and unworthy of any thing one could call loving response.
>>>>> It,
>>>>> unlike Glenn's clever and cogent poem, was unkind, unsubtle, and rather
>>>>> banal. It attacked without allowing for feelings or thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill had previously been a bit unfeeling and crude in his 'resigning' but
>>>>> slurring statement: "I did not intend to feed the trolls, but their
>>>>> incessant, idiotic, incoherent ramblings and constant reiteration of the
>>>>> Party Line, tend to grossly offend any thinking person. Therefore,
>>>>> goodbye."
>>>>>> William H. Magill
>>>>>> Block Captain
>>>>> 4400 Chestnut Street"
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as peoples opinions about homosexuality... I did not make a slur
>>>>> against the concept, life-style, extant notion(s), or erotic preference.
>>>>> Did you? I leave the issue for you to decide, I can't speak for you. I
>>>>> have generally preferred the term homo-erotocism as homo-sexuality can
>>>>> tend
>>>>> to lead to confusion, and while generativity is certainly not always
>>>>> hetero-sexual... "sexual" reproduction in which biological meiosis
>>>>> recombination produces a viable zygote seems to have tended quite
>>>>> exclusively in the direction of hetero-partnering.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I assume you are referring to me as 'Rich', though you have never
>>>>> known me to use that name, rather: Rick Conrad, or Richard Conrad...
>>>>> Please
>>>>> at this time I ask... do not call me Rich, Brian, if you would be so
>>>>> kind.
>>>>> :>)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Can't we all just try to get along" - Rodney King
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Conrad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's shameful that Rich would leap to slurs about homosexuality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Argue all you want, call each other names all you want, but Rich's
>>>>>> gutter-level bigotry is just revolting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad wrote:
>>>>>>> when you gotta go... you really gotta go... SO GO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you use your bathroom 'humor' with your lovers too Mike or just
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> want to make humbled... hmmm, maybe they are the same set of
>>>>>>> members...
>>>>>>> maybe you actually want to both humiliate Glenn and also be his
>>>>>>> lover...
>>>>>>> like the huckleberry dude in the movie Tombstone?
>>>>>>>
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