What is a fair salary for someone with 5 years experience at a small company and no management experience?
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Re: > [UPHPU-jobs] 1-2 Senior Web Developer(s) - $45K - $65K> Date: Fri, 27 Jul > 2007 22:18:59 -0600> > On Friday 27 July 2007 05:14pm, Ken Snyder wrote:> > > Ash wrote:> > > ...> > >> > >> That's our experience as well. We've been > trying to hire a developer> > >> since the beginning of the year with no > luck. We used a headhunter> > >> service for a while who told us > "Unemployment in the tech sector in> > >> Utah County is 0.2%". I don't know > if that stat is accurate, but> > >> every one of the candidates they supplied > for interview already had> > >> jobs--most weren't even looking for jobs--and > we certainly haven't> > >> had a lot of answers to our posts.> > >>> > >> - > Ken> > >> > > What are you looking for developer wise, and what are you > paying?> > >> > > Ashley> >> > Yah, that could be a problem. We are hiring > for "PHP Coder" (or some> > more flowery version of that title) with target > experience of 1-2 years> > and offering $40k - 55k DOE. That seems pretty > reasonable for Utah> > County, no? It seems definitely not high enough for > the current> > shortage, but not unreasonable.> >> > I think one thing that > is difficult about setting PHP salary is that> > certifications and specific > schoolwork is the standard for .NET and Java> > but not so much in PHP. In my > mind about 2-3 years business experience> > in PHP would merit "programmer > starting pay" of around $50k. Likewise,> > a developer certified in a > language having no business experience would> > maybe start at $50k. Am I way > off base?> > Given the way that the cost of living (and even in Utah County, > look at > housing costs) has gone up in the past year alone, $50k isn't a > salary most > could own a home on.> > Inflation sucks, but we've seen a > significant amount of it in the past 2 years > in Utah. What you could get > someone for 2 years ago isn't enough for today, > and certainly not for next > year (I would guess).> > Also, as you point out yourself, the labor market is > tight. That means you > have to bring the salaries up a bit in order to > compete in a labor shortage. > I find it interresting to read how you phrased > it:> > "It seems definitely not high enough for the current shortage, but not > > unreasonable."> > It sure sounds like you're trying to justify the > short-changing on the hiring > budget.> > My advice is this ... you get what > you pay for. If you want a > programmer/developer/software engineer (or > whatever other fuzzy title du > jour) with skills that actually get things > done and get them done right, you > need to put out a salary range that is > high enough to attract those kinds of > coders to even submit a resume to > begin with. if your published salary range > is too low to begin with, you > won't get any decent candidates.> > You get what you pay for. At the salary > range you're talking about, I could > not support my small family and I would > not even attempt to apply.> > I hope this is helpful feedback. And, please, > don't take any of it > personally. This is a tough topic to discuss, but I > wouldn't be doing you or > anyone else any favors by sugar-coating anything.> > -- > Lamont Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Founder [ > http://blog.OpenBrainstem.net/peregrine/ ]> GPG Key fingerprint: 0E35 93C5 > 4249 49F0 EC7B 4DDD BE46 4732 6460 CCB5> ___ ____ _ _> / _ \ _ __ ___ _ __ | > __ ) _ __ __ _(_)_ __ ___| |_ ___ _ __ ___> | | | | '_ \ / _ \ '_ \| _ \| > '__/ _` | | '_ \/ __| __/ _ \ '_ ` _ \> | |_| | |_) | __/ | | | |_) | | | (_| > | | | | \__ \ || __/ | | | | |> \___/| .__/ \___|_| |_|____/|_| \__,_|_|_| > |_|___/\__\___|_| |_| |_|> |_| Intelligent Open Source Software Engineering> > [ http://www.OpenBrainstem.net/ ] _______________________________________________ UPHPU mailing list [email protected] http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net
