> I am curious as to why companies do not want employees knowing what each 
> other makes.  I am thinking that knowing what my co-workers are making could 
> open some good conversations between employees and then even between 
> employees and their employers.  If I had an employee come ask me why he is 
> not making as much as someone else, I would happily talk to them and perhaps 
> even end up giving them a raise for showing initiative or at least provide 
> them with some ideas on how I think they can go about earning a raise.  (Hey 
> Kevin!)
>

never thought about this, i could see it being a good thing

> Seems like Robert and Victor may have the same idea, just speaking from 
> different perspectives.
>

always the diplomat!

> I agree with Victor that money usually IS the first/main point of the 
> conversation.

:)

 >However, if that conversation is quickly addressed initially it can
ease tensions on both sides and quickly be set aside so that other
more important conversations can happen.  Thus, I also agree with
Robert that once money is no longer the conversation, there are far
more important things to discuss.
>

...sigh... i concede the point :)

>
> I recently read a really good article (http://tinyurl.com/3llnky5) that 
> talked about identifying the Most Valuable Activities of your employer.  I 
> have since applied this principle, to employees, clients, my spouse, etc.  As 
> an employer, if you can identify the most valuable activities that they do 
> your employees do for you, then do you best to take care of everything else 
> for them, then they can be free physically, mentally, and emotionally to 
> focus on those most valuable activities.
>

hmm sacrificing the things that are best in the interest of the things
that are good or distractions.  good point on MVA.  i'm going to have
to see about implementing this with myself and my crew.

In addition to the points above, i've given considerable amount of
thought to your argument from previous thread about NOT searching for
code ninjas or rock stars, but being upfront with your needs.  how has
that affected the number of applicants to your posts?  how has that
affected the truth telling of your applicants? work place morale?

mj/v

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