I completely agree. The cost of lost productivity due to slow tools far outweighs the cost of good tools. I convince every place I work of this and stick to a three year replacement policy as well.
On Tue, May 12, 2015, 9:06 AM Donald Livingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > But that can be a really hard argument to make to an accountant who has > > to approve your > > purchase today. > > > That right there is one of my biggest pet-peeves about our line of work. > Why does it always feel like pulling teeth to get the tools we need? A > top-of-the-line 15" MBP starts at $2500 ($3200 with upgraded processor and > storage). Thats barely two weeks salary for a good web developer. > > Craftsmen need specialist tools. A professional chef doesn’t use knives > from IKEA and a mechanic can spend a fortune on his equipment. > > Why then do so many web teams have the same computer kit as somebody from > accounting? Why do we have restricted internet access and have to fight to > get permission to install software on their own machine? > > Don Livingston > www.donaldlivingston.com > "I'm making perfect sense, you're just not keeping up." > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Aaron Luman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Mitch, > > > > I agree that when you compare like to like, the pricing is similar. That > > said, they compare to the most expensive offerings from the PC brands, > and > > now that you can no longer upgrade memory / hard drive post purchase a > > maxed out laptop becomes slightly more than if you were to buy a PC > laptop > > with similar processor specs and upgrade memory/etc yourself. > > > > One really positive in the price discussion that macs have that PCs > > typically do not is resale value. Macs typically sell for a reasonable > > amount of money even when they are several years old, making the true > cost > > of always having the new laptop significantly lower. But that can be a > > really hard argument to make to an accountant who has to approve your > > purchase today. > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Mitch Anderson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > "they are a bit pricey" > > > > > > I always hear that, and I am actually kind of surprised that its still > > > believed... Without discounts, a similar configured Dell Latitude 7000 > > > Series 14"(and I believe the 3000 and 5000 aren't much different) was > > > around $200 more than a MBP 13" when I looked last week. The low-end > > > laptops and consumer grade ones, sure the MBP is more expensive... but > > > that's not an equivalent laptop. To compare it needs to be business > > class, > > > and even at that the PCI-e SSD in the MBP will be better than whats in > > the > > > Dell from the specs. > > > > > > Just something to think about. > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Aaron Luman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Another thing to take into consideration is that the 15" macbook pro > > line > > > > is overdue an update. If you are considering getting one you might > want > > > to > > > > wait for a few months to see the new options. > > > > > > > > I have a 15" at work running multiple VMs, and whatnot and it runs > > like a > > > > champ. That said, they are a bit pricey, especially now that nothing > is > > > > upgradable. > > > > > > > > I will be getting one for myself when they update the new. > > > > On May 11, 2015 4:16 PM, "Lonnie Olson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:45 PM, David Skinner > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've used macs in the past, but never owned my own laptop. If I > > got a > > > > > > macbook, what should I look for? If I go windows-based, does > anyone > > > > have > > > > > > any good recommendations for a brand? > > > > > > > > > > You should first decide on your OS first. You've used Macs, did > you > > > > > like it? They are quite different from both Windows and Linux. > > > > > > > > > > Only after you decide on your OS should you look into hardware > > options. > > > > > > > > > > Mac OSX: Choose an Apple laptop (period). Heavy dev with VMs, MBP > > of > > > > > some sort. Light dev, perhaps mostly cloud instances, MBA. > > > > > > > > > > Windows: I prefer Dell or Lenovo, the business class ones. Your > > > > > options are quite wide open though. Even an Apple laptop will run > > > > > Windows... > > > > > > > > > > Linux: I still like Dell or Lenovo, but you must pay attention to > > > > > driver support. Some models are terrible, mostly stay in the upper > > > > > end. 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