OK guys/gals, I hate to be the one that breaks up the party but this laptop thread has NOTHING to do with PHP. We all have our opinions about what hardware is best.
If it is a PHP question I welcome it but lets keep true to the group, ok? Otherwise, please remove me from this list. I get enough spam already. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:11 AM, William Attwood <[email protected]> wrote: > I completely agree. The cost of lost productivity due to slow tools far > outweighs the cost of good tools. I convince every place I work of this > and stick to a three year replacement policy as well. > > On Tue, May 12, 2015, 9:06 AM Donald Livingston <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > But that can be a really hard argument to make to an accountant who has > > > to approve your > > > purchase today. > > > > > > That right there is one of my biggest pet-peeves about our line of work. > > Why does it always feel like pulling teeth to get the tools we need? A > > top-of-the-line 15" MBP starts at $2500 ($3200 with upgraded processor > and > > storage). Thats barely two weeks salary for a good web developer. > > > > Craftsmen need specialist tools. A professional chef doesn’t use knives > > from IKEA and a mechanic can spend a fortune on his equipment. > > > > Why then do so many web teams have the same computer kit as somebody from > > accounting? Why do we have restricted internet access and have to fight > to > > get permission to install software on their own machine? > > > > Don Livingston > > www.donaldlivingston.com > > "I'm making perfect sense, you're just not keeping up." > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Aaron Luman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Mitch, > > > > > > I agree that when you compare like to like, the pricing is similar. > That > > > said, they compare to the most expensive offerings from the PC brands, > > and > > > now that you can no longer upgrade memory / hard drive post purchase a > > > maxed out laptop becomes slightly more than if you were to buy a PC > > laptop > > > with similar processor specs and upgrade memory/etc yourself. > > > > > > One really positive in the price discussion that macs have that PCs > > > typically do not is resale value. Macs typically sell for a reasonable > > > amount of money even when they are several years old, making the true > > cost > > > of always having the new laptop significantly lower. But that can be a > > > really hard argument to make to an accountant who has to approve your > > > purchase today. > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Mitch Anderson <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > "they are a bit pricey" > > > > > > > > I always hear that, and I am actually kind of surprised that its > still > > > > believed... Without discounts, a similar configured Dell Latitude > 7000 > > > > Series 14"(and I believe the 3000 and 5000 aren't much different) was > > > > around $200 more than a MBP 13" when I looked last week. The low-end > > > > laptops and consumer grade ones, sure the MBP is more expensive... > but > > > > that's not an equivalent laptop. To compare it needs to be business > > > class, > > > > and even at that the PCI-e SSD in the MBP will be better than whats > in > > > the > > > > Dell from the specs. > > > > > > > > Just something to think about. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Aaron Luman <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Another thing to take into consideration is that the 15" macbook > pro > > > line > > > > > is overdue an update. If you are considering getting one you might > > want > > > > to > > > > > wait for a few months to see the new options. > > > > > > > > > > I have a 15" at work running multiple VMs, and whatnot and it runs > > > like a > > > > > champ. That said, they are a bit pricey, especially now that > nothing > > is > > > > > upgradable. > > > > > > > > > > I will be getting one for myself when they update the new. > > > > > On May 11, 2015 4:16 PM, "Lonnie Olson" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:45 PM, David Skinner > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've used macs in the past, but never owned my own laptop. If I > > > got a > > > > > > > macbook, what should I look for? If I go windows-based, does > > anyone > > > > > have > > > > > > > any good recommendations for a brand? > > > > > > > > > > > > You should first decide on your OS first. You've used Macs, did > > you > > > > > > like it? They are quite different from both Windows and Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only after you decide on your OS should you look into hardware > > > options. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OSX: Choose an Apple laptop (period). Heavy dev with VMs, > MBP > > > of > > > > > > some sort. Light dev, perhaps mostly cloud instances, MBA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Windows: I prefer Dell or Lenovo, the business class ones. Your > > > > > > options are quite wide open though. Even an Apple laptop will > run > > > > > > Windows... > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux: I still like Dell or Lenovo, but you must pay attention to > > > > > > driver support. Some models are terrible, mostly stay in the > upper > > > > > > end. 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