Hello Dustin,

I was sitting here thinking... kweather has weather information for the
whole world. It looks like they do use NOAA, but not the web and xml
services I used in that portlet. They use METAR:
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml

Here's a list of station names that they have weather data for in METAR:
http://weather.noaa.gov/data/nsd_bbsss.txt

Here's a java project that retrieves and parses METAR data. Its license
is LGPL which should work for ja-sig:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jweather/

Looks like a good option to me. What do you think?

thanks,
Brad Johnson
Texas Tech University


On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 17:16 -0700, Dustin S. icedout3e-at-gmail.com |
JASIG-List-2| wrote:
> It is proving to be a difficult, if not impossible thing to find an
> international service that is ABSOLUTELY free and allows commercial
> usage.
> 
> Right now the two choices of international services are:
> 
> 1.) Accuweather.com - currently in contact with, unsure as to the
> status of commercial usage. Their service will require a link back to
> accuweather and an accuweather logo.
> 
> 2.) Weather.com SDK - I have looked at license, it requires
> registration on user part to even use as well as a limit of 25,000
> requests, a logo, and at least 3 link backs.
> 
> Personally I don't mind the usage of a logo or link backs since you
> can't really get away from them (they're providing a service that
> costs them money). We use Yahoo Weather at our university which
> requires clickbacks and logo's and its worked out great.
> 
> What do others think about this? Are logo's and clickbacks ok or no?
> 
> If logo's and clickbacks's are not an option then providing an
> international weather portlet may require the usage of several weather
> feeds.
> 
> For U.S. and surround waters we could use: NOAA.
> Other places: ???
> 
> Brad, can you look and see if you can find any other services outside
> of the U.S. that provide weather entirely free? I will take a look as
> well in case we need to run this route.
> 
> Also, can any foreign users chime in if they are using a weather
> service that is entirely free (like NOAA)?
> 
> On Feb 12, 2008 2:11 PM, Brad Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>         
>         On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 13:34 -0700, Dustin S. icedout3e-at-gmail.com |
>         JASIG-List-2| wrote:
>         > Brad,
>         > 
>         > Thanks. I checked it out and built the project. Everything packaged
>         > fine. I did not actually deploy it yet. 
>         > 
>         > We are shooting for an international portlet and from my
>         > understanding, the NOAA service did not provide international 
> weather.
>         > From what I read, it only provided U.S. and surround waters. Can you
>         > confirm this?
>         
>         Hello Dustin,
>         
>         Yep, NOAA is only for US and surrounding waters.
>         
>         Is there a royalty free, unlimited access, international
>         weather service to be had? I reviewed the agreements of the
>         various weather services discussed in September on the
>         uportal-users list and didn't find any of their agreements to
>         be acceptable. My search was
>         probably not exhaustive, though.
>         
>         Here's the attributes that I think we would need in a service
>         (these are up for discussion):
>         
>         - basic weather information
>         (hi/low/current/condition/forecast , etc.)
>          - covers the US
>               (international weather will likely be a separate task)
>          - no attribution requirement
>          - no logo requirement
>          - no limit on number of areas to get weather for
>          - allow commercial use
>         
>         The NOAA XML weather service doesn't seem to have a
>         restrictive Terms of Use policy. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/xml/
>         The other services seem to have unacceptable restrictions.
>         Here are some highlights I've collected (back in September)
>         from each source's terms of use policy that seems to make them
>         inappropriate for inclusion in a default uPortal weather
>         channel:
>         
>         == yahoo.com T&C ==
>         http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/#terms
>         
>         ... "The feeds are provided free of charge for use by
>         individuals and non-profit organizations for personal,
>         non-commercial uses. We ask that you provide attribution to
>         Yahoo! Weather in connection with your use of the feeds." ...
>         
>         == weather.com.au ==
>         http://www.weather.com.au/about/rss
>         
>         ..."You may only use up to 10 different weather locations per
>         domain. If you require more than this, please contact us for
>         authorization first.
>               * A link back to weather.com.au must be provided for
>         every
>                 location you display weather for on your site. The URL
>         to link
>                 back to is provided in the feed using the <link> tag.
>               * If you wish to display icons, these must be linked
>         directly to
>                 the icons hosted on our server. You may not copy the
>         icons and
>                 host them on your own server. The full URL to each
>         applicable
>                 icon is included in the feed."...
>         
>         
>         == weather.com ==
>         http://www.weather.com/weather/rss/subscription#
>         ..."The RSS Service is for personal, non-commercial use only.
>         Any other uses, including without limitation the incorporation
>         of advertising into or the placement of advertising associated
>         with or targeted towards the RSS Content, are strictly
>         prohibited. You may not add any content to the
>         RSS Service."... 
>         =======================================
>         
>         If there is an acceptable free international weather service
>         then that's great, but for us "free" is more important than
>         "international". I
>         imagine the same would be true for everyone no matter if they
>         are in the US or not. We might need to make the weather
>         service plug-able to take
>         advantage of various regional free weather services.
>         
>         thanks,
>         Brad Johnson
>         
>         
>         > 
>         > Thanks,
>         > Dustin.
>         > 
>         > On Feb 12, 2008 12:35 PM, Brad Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>         > wrote:
>         >         Hey Dustin and Andrew,
>         >         
>         >         I've committed the code
>         >         
>         >         to /sandbox/WeatherPortlet/branches/texastech-noaa-maven .
>         >         
>         >         Go ahead and take a look. It builds with Maven 2 now. Let me
>         >         know if you
>         >         have problems building it.
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         BTW, there are screenshots in the /docs directory.
>         >         
>         >         thanks,
>         >         Brad Johnson
>         >         Texas Tech University
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 08:29 -0700, Dustin S.
>         >         icedout3e-at-gmail.com |
>         >         > JASIG-List-2| wrote:
>         >         > Brad,
>         >         >
>         >         > Like Andrew said, branches would be a more appropriate 
> place
>         >         to put
>         >         > it. Thanks for the contribution.
>         >         >
>         >         > Thanks,
>         >         > Dustin.
>         >         >
>         >         > On Feb 8, 2008 8:19 AM, Andrew Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>         >         wrote:
>         >         >         Brad,
>         >         >
>         >         >         I'd suggest committing your code seed somewhere 
> more
>         >         like
>         >         >
>         >         >         
> /sandbox/WeatherPortlet/branches/texastech-noaa-seed
>         >         >
>         >         >         or the like, allowing Dustin Schultz et al. to
>         >         review this
>         >         >         before svn
>         >         >         copying it to trunk as the starting point for this
>         >         effort (or
>         >         >         not,
>         >         >         harvesting parts of it for that effort instead).
>         >         >
>         >         >         Andrew
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         Brad Johnson wrote:
>         >         >         > Hello Ja-sig
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > I have a working weather portlet that uses the 
> new
>         >         NOAA
>         >         >         weather service
>         >         >         > XML API. Is written using spring portlet MVC. I
>         >         believe, it
>         >         >         would be a
>         >         >         > good starting point for the jasig-weather
>         >         portlet.  It uses
>         >         >         ant for the
>         >         >         > build process, but should be simple to build 
> with
>         >         maven.
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > I would like to go ahead and commit this to
>         >         >         > the /sandbox/WeatherPortlet/trunk as a starting
>         >         point. Is
>         >         >         that okay?
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > thanks,
>         >         >         > Brad Johnson
>         >         >         > Texas Tech University
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >
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