+1 on improving visual-based UI and system configuration. One thing
that would be good to think about is how much to put in the db, how much
to put in files, and improving how to sync them so we can still keep
everything needed to build up the system in git. Having a UI manipulate
configuration files doesn't mean we have to lose ability to check
everything in to git (though it does make it harder). Also worth
discussing is what error messages need to be improved to help reduce
barriers for new adopters. I'll add this to the doc. Alas, I won't be
able to make it to the conference. :-(
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On 05/09/2014 08:29 AM, Tim Raymond wrote:
+1 for this approach Drew.
I have enjoyed the ability to use the files checked in to git to manage
migrations between our envs and would not want to lose that either. Fortunately
we have phenomenal people on this project that can determine a fantastic
implementation of meeting the need to have robust online configuration AND file
based configuration.
Tim Raymond
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California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
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Subject: Re: [uportal-dev] Post-conference collaboration
Tim,
I'm 100% game for improving the UI-based management features in uPortal.
I agree that there's plenty of room for growth, and that these features
would be a significant benefit for driving platform adoption.
At the same time, I never want to loose the ability to check all my
configuration, design, and content choices into Git for a 100% repeatable,
single shell-based command, completely-from-scratch build (and promotion to
prod) process. I would prefer not to go in a direction where keeping several
deployments up to date means repeating a bunch of manual steps.
I'm happy to further this discussion in the dev days and throughout the
conference (or really any time). :)
drew
On 05/09/2014 07:41 AM, Tim Raymond wrote:
I will be there... hoping for a seat at the adults table :-)
I have added the following to the document on a separate page in case this is
not the appropriate forum for my thoughts. My page could then be easily deleted.
Is there a current strategy document or "guiding principles" for the project?
If not are such things a good idea? I am looking at this from a VERY big picture
perspective.
As a new adopter, most of my focus is on the barrier to adoption of uPortal,
both from the documentation (I know Laura is updating that) and use
perspectives.
The platform is powerful, but (IMHO) unless or until more can be done through
an online interface (no xml config/import required), we will never breakout
into larger adoption. Imagine how awesome it would be to have the ability to
create a new layout, with an interface that allows the admin to drag and drop
any portlet into ANY region, and define the page and region properties all
though their browser, no XML required! Maybe this touches on Andrew's point
about beyond DLM?
I like to think about Wordpress as an example. From a Wordpress adopter
standpoint, files very rarely (if ever) need to be touched. Aside from rare use
cases, the entire system can be configured, extended, and administered through
an online interface.
I received a direct email from someone at another institution that was
evaluating uPortal at the same time we were... they chose to use Wordpress
instead and tried to convince me we should too. I was not swayed to the dark
side, but his argument is a compelling one for potential adopters. If the
platform does not evolve into a more user friendly format, a format that people
expect in today's web environment, it will at best maintain current adoption
rates, and at worst see adoption erode.
Tim Raymond
Director, Central Applications
Instructional and Information Technology California State Polytechnic
University, Pomona
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Cell: 909.260.3200
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew
Petro
Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 6:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [uportal-dev] Post-conference collaboration
Worth using a Google Doc to organize who's there when and what to discuss/work
on?
https://docs.google.com/a/apereo.org/document/d/1cTErN-DwtILPv8L2jlhIz
IlUEjMv7FgIhDAFaUBEgYE/edit#
Anyone with the link can edit that, but better if you log in!
Andrew
On 5/9/14, 8:14 AM, Drew Wills wrote:
I believe I will be there.
drew
On 05/09/2014 05:14 AM, Jim Helwig wrote:
Who is planning on remaining in Miami on the Thursday following the
conference for additional collaboration time?
Thoughts on topics to focus post-conference collaborative
development and/or discussion around?
JimH
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