That sounds as if "things" are possible.
I have run off a very simple standalone (one card, one button, one field)
and uploaded it to Dropbox, and would be most grateful if you can try to
get it to run.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/518kxvml2si3xic/ISLAND.zip?dl=0
I am currently running Mojave as am a bit reluctant to dive into the
water round
the island just yet.
Richmond.
On 12.09.19 3:13, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
I just tried 2 apps that I built in LC 9.5 business. I have Catalina beta 7
installed. Neither app was code signed or notarized. I moved the apps to that
machine via a thumb drive and did not zip compress either one. They both
launched on Catalina beta without complaint.
Next I zipped one of the apps and uploaded to my server and then downloaded it
to the Catalina beta. This time when I tried to open, I got the message that it
could not be opened because its integrity couldn’t be verified. The only
options were “Move to trash” or “cancel”
I then right clicked and chose Open and again got the warning about not being
able to verify but now had an additional option to open, which it did. I quit
and opened again - this time with no warnings or trouble.
I did just get a notice that beta 8 is available. Will test when I get it
installed.
Marty
On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Richmond via use-livecode
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
The most telling test is if anyone who has a Catalina beta installed runs off a
Macintosh
standalone and sees if they can run it themselves: wether from the Open Source
version or
one of the commercial versions.
Richmond.
On 11.09.19 18:21, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
Keeping a clear look at things... That $100/yr does include "beta OS releases,
advanced app capabilities, technical support, and tools to develop, test, and distribute
apps." At one time one could get past OSs, but I don't think it is the case now. And
you could go down to the test warehouse and test on old machines.
On the Windows side, I have used MSDN Universal ($2200/yr) and MSDN Operating
Systems ($700/yr) in the past. The latter might be comparable to the Apple
Developer membership. Well, it was when you could get past OSes from Apple.
I have seen ads for codesigning certs that work for both Apple and Windows. I
don't know what that means. And I don't know why the fees for 2nd and 3rd years
are so high.
Dar
Senior Consultant
Dar Scott Consulting
Mad Scientist
darzLab
On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:38 AM, JJS via use-livecode
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
The ratio of money asked from devs is also of course: (considered mobile)
Mobile Operating Systems Percentage Market Share
Mobile Operating System Market Share Worldwide - August 2019
Android 76.23%
iOS 22.17%
KaiOS 0.59%
Unknown 0.26%
Samsung 0.21%
Windows 0.2%
So apple iOs is somewhat increasing this year, in 2018 it was 15% worldwide.
Apple asks 100$ yearly --iOs/ (and macOS)
Google ask 25$ one time fee -- Android
Amazon is FREE ! (for the time being) -- Kindle which is just Android
You can also use other platforms for free like Fdroid
Beats me why Apple charges so much yearly while the gain i think is to lower
that cost as they earn money from your sales anyway.
Is there an alternative platform for iOs/macOs ?
Op 11-9-2019 om 07:57 schreef Peter Reid via use-livecode:
I've been reading the responses to my original posting with interest. My
thoughts are as follows:
1. Matthias Rebbe's tutorial and helper stack seem to be excellent and appear
to be the best way of complying with Apple's requirements, for now. Let's hope
that Matthias can maintain this as Apple move the goalposts over time! If
Matthias is unable to sustain these aids I'd hope that the LC mothership would
adopt them.
2. A lot of the apps I develop are used by immediate friends and family (and a
tiny circle of customers). They are private developments for use in closed
communities. Apple have no right to be involved in these and the extended
development cycle caused by their involvement is just unnecessary pain.
3. If Apple's measures really did provide bullet-proof protection the pain
could be justified given the gain. However we know that this protection process
is continuous and it becomes more and more onerous over time whilst still
providing partial protection for a limited time.
4. If the Apple measures were a simple switchable setting I could switch them
off whilst I check the user experience for a new user. Then I could switch the
features back on to see the fully Apple-ised experience. As it is now, using
the current Catalina beta on my development Mac, I see no blocking or warnings.
So I've no way of testing the user experience on my development Mac. I have to
find another Mac to act as my newbie user. Even then if such a Mac has been a
previous newbie, how do you neutralise it to relive the newbie experience?
5. The $100 charge each year is inexcusable. Basically Apple are saying "We'll make
any app development more tedious unless you pay up $100 every year.". Even the
development of the simplest app, to be used as a temporary tool by a couple of friends
will be blighted by warnings, etc. if you don't pay $100 per year and jump through the
hoops! Apple are deliberately making life more difficult and charging us $100 a year for
the privilege!
6. I wonder how much developer time world-wide is wasted jumping through
Apple's hoops, especially those developers without the benefit of LC and
Matthias' tools?
7. If a new-to-LC developer wants to do the usual "Hello World" trivial 1st app
(making an executable standalone app), they have to understand code-signing, notarising
and stapling, DMG/ZIP creation and be signed/paid-up Apple developers.
Thanks to Matthias, you're a life/sanity saver, but I still find the prospects
as an app developer rather depressing!
Peter
--
Peter Reid
Loughborough, UK
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