Using iCloud shouldn’t require internet access for the app as it is designed to 
work offline and sync when the network is available.  My comment was aimed at 
the need to have data retained separately from the app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Believe it or not, there is a class of apps that doesn’t need to use the 
> internet. I’m thinking for example of apps meant to be used on a device such 
> as a phone while it’s in motion or on a journey. Internet access isn’t 
> guaranteed in many parts of the world. Although smart phones do have to make 
> contact with the internet for many tasks, that imperative shouldn’t force one 
> to include internet access in an app that has no other need for it. It’s that 
> notion that made me want to break out of the sandbox locally, to allow local 
> apps access to local data.
> 
> Just my two overpriced eurocents.
> 
> Graham
> [sorry if I sent this twice, but the first try seems to have got lost]
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2020, at 16:24, Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Apple has already provided a way forward for this.  Their current best 
>> practice is for apps to store files in their Documents folder in iCloud.  
>> This provides seamless access between multiple devices and data security 
>> since it is not tied to the app remaining installed.
>> 
>> I briefly looked at the dev docs on this and it does take some work to 
>> integrate.  The most complicated piece will be detecting and resolving 
>> conflicts.  I think it would be a good feature request just not sure how to 
>> do the conflict resolution piece.  The mechanics of putting and getting a 
>> file are not that bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:42 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> One my iPad I have everything turned on for iCloud and I am
>>> sure everything is backed up with my backup file.  I do not
>>> see all of my individual files when I access icloud except for
>>> ones I added through a different means than the application.
>>> 
>>> The issue of apps becoming outdated and any files being
>>> locked in with the app is serious to me.  Not a big issue to
>>> solve if Apple wants to.
>>> 
>>> JB
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll have to take issue with that one. If your device is set to sync to 
>>>> the cloud, your notes will be preserver. There’s no unlikely about it. The 
>>>> only way they would not sync is if you had sync turned off for notes. In 
>>>> that case it is not only likely but certain you will lose any new data 
>>>> since sync was disabled.
>>>> 
>>>> If it did not work this way, iCould would die a quick and horrible death.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 3:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Most likely it will not be saved to the
>>>> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
>>>> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
>>>> deleted with the app.
>>>> 
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