On 11/3/08 18:08, Colin Holgate wrote:
While I wait for my bug reporting password (are those created
manually?), I'll list some of the things that seem odd to me, to give
you a sense of what I mean, and for you to say if it's normal oddities:
....
So, are some of these things that shouldn't be the way they are?
Hi Colin,
Good to hear from you again, and very good to see you in this forum.
Yes. Some of these are "normal oddities", an excellent phrase!
I think you are in a valuable (to Rev) moment, and I urge you to give us the
benefit of it. Two things can happen when someone - especially someone
experienced - encounters Revolution. They run across a whole bunch of strange
behaviours, throw up their hands in exasperation, and walk away. Or they run
across these strange behaviours, find their way around them, and find ther way
past them to the productivity that they can nonetheless achieve; and quickly
cease to see the quirks. That's better, but unfortunately it means that the
chances of the quirks being resolved are not increased. I hope you'll do the
second, but before you acquire the blindness that the rest of us now enjoy, I
hope you'll make good use of your password to report all the oddities you see.
When I first started working with Metacard and shortly thereafter Revolution,
I generated a slew of reports just as you are doing now. (Unfortunately at
that time neither the Metacard nor the Revolution teams, in different ways,
were very responsive. It was quite a long struggle from their friends/clients
to persuade them that an open bug database would be a good thing. I'm
delighted to say that RunRev is now very different in its attitude, and
genuinely listens to its users, and is far more dedicated to balancing
development of new features with improvement and fixing of the existing
product; and also substantially better equipped to do so.) But now of course,
I no longer notice most of these issues, until I witness a new colleague
attempting to use the product - at which point I often find myself blushing,
sputtering, and waving my hands. After a few months, I think we unconsciously
swerve past the open manholes etc, without even seeing them - as a result they
are never reported, and have no chance of being fixed.
So please make good use of your password when it finally arrives! I think
Revolution is the true and a worthy descendant of HyperCard*, and I hope
you'll find it so. There's much here to appreciate, including many thoughtful
and excellent extensions to the language and architecture. But Revolution
also partly pays the price for spanning several platforms; and also its
history, which I won't bore with you now, means that the IDE has developed
separately from the engine. Stick with it, it's worth it - but please do
report the things that strike you as odd - you'll mostly be right!
- Ben
* (It occurs to me it was probably around 1988 that I ran into you in Stockley
Park when you were wearing a "Bill Atkinson is my hero" t-shirt. Blimey: 20
years!)
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