G'day Kiwi,
Any preference as to where to start with the tutes? Like, from the
beginning
of the manual or re-create other users tutes into video/voice over's?
(with
their permission of course)
I can see a huge opportunity with RS learning that would benefit all
concerned, including RS themselves :)
Cheers and regards
Rossco
My thought on video style was sparked by the existence of too many for Max
and Maya, etc. I have never seen any of these but reckon they could be done
extremely badly. So style might be considered, maybe humour as an angle
there, I don't know. As for content and structure i wouldnt even try and
second guess the folk at RS. They have put together their manual with these
questions in mind and they have also lived with the apps forever. So my
guess for a starting point or as a dry run ... the manual or the harry tut?
I think the whole manual would be a bit of a mouthful first time round. Also
not certain as to target audience ... is the idea to simply cover the top
layer of most of the stuff or to dig into some special interest discoveries
deep deep in the guts of one or two of more obscure buttons?
My guess is that V6 will have a pretty solid tut with it probably leaning
further into IK territory but again, I'm guessing. A VSL show would be
worthwhile.
I suppose, the trick would be to get hold of another video instruction thing
and check it out. 3DWorld got a max dude to review a maya instruction vid
and he made some useful points I felt.
I suppose any vid would need to be "here's how I do stuff" rather than "This
is the bible on this stuff". ... makes it more relaxed and if you're getting
results who cares if it's not the most elegant of programming.
But then again I can't even envisage the cam layout ... make a decent sized
cursor and make a streaming avi of screen grabs? I doubt if personality,
face, work space, etc, are necessary ... set it up as a laptop on Magrathea
with the twin suns doing perpetual sunsets in the back ground?
While I havent seen any RS vids I can't believe there arent any.
Anyway, if you have a mind to tackle something, who knows ... might beat
your 9 to 5 ... anyway, something to do down there in the desolate wastes of
storm swept Cook Straight.
Now that I'm looking at it I reckon the streamed avi of screen grabs with
either voice over or subtitles ... I think this would be something I'd load
and use for frequent reference. Subtitles maybe since I might be hitting the
pause button on a regular basis and/or plying it slow until I got the trick
sorted. The screen grabs would need to show a degree of tweening though,
rather than just static shots. Also frequent coffee breaks. Probably not an
emailable end product so far as file-size is concerned. Let me know if you
want anything beta tested ... :]
All the best for your New Year Ross,
Neil Cooke.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Hopkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Happy new year grom Germany and good luck for RS Version 6 :-))
and more "beginner" tutorials ;-)
Hiya Neil,
WOW! This is just the sort of post I was wanting to read and be inspired
by!!
As you know I have been meaning to complete some video tutes using RS3D,
also, as you know I recently posted to you and Garry regarding my new
employment and other matters that have meant I have not been as free as I
would like to complete these tutes.
However, there is also another couple of smaller reasons for not trying to
make more time to complete them and they are probably pretty stupid
really,
but I had a gut feeling that the response or preference for video and
voice
over tutes for RS3D was not going to be that great or positive.
Also, I felt that as I am only new to RS3D, that other more advanced users
would think that I was being a bit cocky or arrogant by re-creating
advanced
tutes they have made, into video/voice over walk through tutes (as that is
how I learn best).
Now, you also seem to prefer to learn that way, which is great and has
inspired me to put this further up the priority ladder, which is what I
was
going to do for 2006 anyhow, but you have made my day with your post :)
Any preference as to where to start with the tutes? Like, from the
beginning
of the manual or re-create other users tutes into video/voice over's?
(with
their permission of course)
I can see a huge opportunity with RS learning that would benefit all
concerned, including RS themselves :)
Cheers and regards
Rossco
Get Firefox!
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Cooke
Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Happy new year grom Germany and good luck for RS Version 6 :-
)) and more "beginner" tutorials ;-)
Hi Garry,
What I don't see is a DVD set on getting to grips with RealSoft. I do not
learn well from print, from manuals, from tut's. However, if I see someone
do the trick it usually sticks. Maybe other peoples workflows would work
against someone who could and maybe should head into RS with no safety net
I
don't know, but an actual voice over ... this button then I hit that thing
from there and tweak the dooberry so that the how's your father flicks
into
focus, etc .... something like that.
However, even here I'm doubtful. Not even sure I would have looked at such
a
thing if one had come packaged with 4.5 when it landed on my desk.
Definitely certain there are many who must and should re-invent wheels at
every turn. As the saying goes, it might not need re-inventing but the
dude
sure knows more about wheels.
I can not submit tutorials in RS, or any other app I use because I am
totally self-taught. My workflows would not stand the light of day. 30
seconds on the stage and they'd laugh me right back off into the wings and
out the door ... as in ... "Look, this dude has a thirty step work around
for the thing that the button second from the left does in one hit? Send
him
to Jupiter next train!" .....
Outside of RS and the apps I use, my expertise is again nowhere near as
comprehensive or accurate or useful as even the most basic, but
structured,
institutional course. More or less works for me but that's as far as it
goes, in fact it would more likely be destructive rather than instructive.
The problem with individualist artists is that the result is the only
criteria. Not how it's achieved. And you can't write a tutorial that
smacks
a student around the walls a couple of times so they forget all the
systems
and make a grab for something from right out past the Oort Cloud.
RS is freedom for me but it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. For
me
maybe the 30 years drawing and scribbling is part of the story, Maybe RS
might seem to lack some kind of sounding board for some younger workers.
In thirty years I have learnt and forgotten more than a handful of
technologies in this trade, maybe one bit of some ridiculous cut-and-paste
pipeline will show as useful one afternoon when I'm scratching at a data
set
but no way would I inflict anyone with the whole trip. Like what we had to
do to get tone line with neg film, pos film, mylar sheet or two depending
on
how thick you want the line, then guess an exposure that takes into
account
all the extra film layers and press the button ... maybe redo the pos film
to slightly one way or the other ... crazy.
Maybe my advice ... maybe as a local artist here once reckonned as the
way
to go: "keep drawing, no matter what".
And with the time honoured words: "Dont talk Painter, paint!", I'll get
off
the pot, except to note that all the old quotes need to be upgraded to RS
... "Dont talk, render dude, render!" ...
All the very best for the New Year to you too Garry.
Neil Cooke
----- Original Message -----
From: "studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Happy new year grom Germany and good luck for RS Version 6 :-
))
and more "beginner" tutorials ;-)
Hi Neil :
... and all the best in 2006 to you and yours !
OK , let me ask you this ... is there not a single thing
about what you do that could go into an online tutorial ?
Let's face it , not that many of us know a dime about
'rendering for print' , right ? Do you know anything on
this topic (Yes is the obvious answer) ?
OK , so share it !!!
Give it up people !!! No mercy , no bull , just give up
to the community what skills or knowledge you have worth
sharing .
Seriously , there may be several people out there that
could very much use the knowledge to get started on their
own Realsoft rendering projects .
studio
www.niagara.com/~studio
www.studiodynamics.net
A personal view.
My wish list for RS is that I want to know everything that Vesa knows
and
I
want to know it now. From high level programming through to each and
every
run-time object and their parameter sets. That's all.
I believe RS can do everything and more that I would ever want but
given
my
massive lack of knowledge on the subject, I'm not really sure how I
could
know that.
Regardless, me and my half a percent depth of understanding, have just
destroyed two weeks very happily. Render number twelve on the latest
drawing. A massive object count and I just added another light source
...
but at least this light doesnt need to cast shadows. These are just
proofing
renders and have been discarded. They have been taking about ten hours
each
at about 100 megs or so and the end result if I ever decide I'm
satisfied
with the thing will have no commercial value.
Do I have a life outside megabyte-land? Nope and it doesnt worry me in
the
slightest. A natural born graphics addict ... and my shed here is
showing
every sign of falling down around me ... maybe it already has. A client
told
me I had to mow my lawns ... however the time spent sorting a
particular
bump map image I needed had greater priority :]
Actually yes, there a couple of other interests ... food now and then
is
one
... and sometimes I sleep.
Whatever RS decides is useful in V6 is Ok by me, they havent made any
bad
calls as far as I am concerned. I'm even getting used to the new icons.
All the best to List and all for the New Year,
Neil Cooke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heuymans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: Happy new year grom Germany and good luck for RS Version 6
:-))
and more "beginner" tutorials ;-)
>
>>
>> For me , as far as V6 is concerned , I just wish I could begin to
>>tap the potential of V4.5 !!! We're constantly bombarded by people
>>who love to mention that latest and greatest 3D program , but most
>>do not realize that RS is capable of so much much more than we see
>>here or in forums or IRC etc etc .
>
>
> Yes, you hit the nail on its head imho: if I had a choice between
> A) V6 with tons of new features but incomplete docs, or
> B) the current V5 but with more complete and better structured docs &
> tuts
> I'd go for B in a second!
>
> RS keep concentrating on programming and keep ignoring
accessibility...
> but somebody has to do it! OK, I volunteer for a few tuts on
landscapes
> and VSL.
>
>
> Sorry to be inactive lately; I'm still alive but needed a few weeks
> without 3d ;)
>
> Here's to 2006, cheers to all Realers and Realsoft!
>
> -Mark Heuymans
>
>
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